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To: berned
Why do you guys not WANT God to give the Jews their ancestral homeland?

It isn't that we don't "want" to, we simply don't think it has any religious or eschatological significance, nor do we find any convincing evidence that it's any sort of fulfillment of prophecy.

Why would you not WANT the Temple to be re-built?

Because Temple Judaism was made utterly obsolete by the Cross. That is the crystal-clear teaching of the Epistle to the Hebrews. Have you read it? Do you really think that God wants the Jews to start killing sheep and goats, whose blood "can never take away sins," all over again?

That having been said, if God wants the Temple to be rebuilt, it will be rebuilt. I see no evidence that He does. The true Temple is the Church, the Body of Christ.

All of you Catholics on this thread seem deathly afraid of the Book of Revelation. Why is that?

Hardly. You seem to be deathly afraid of the very first verse of the book, because you can't admit that "must happen shortly" really means "must happen shortly". You seem very afraid of the "seven kings" verse, because you still haven't told anyone who the first six kings were, five of whom had already fallen when St. John wrote Revelation. It looks to me like you're very afraid of any view of Revelation that doesn't rubber-stamp your preconceived ideas of what the book says.

109 posted on 04/02/2002 8:55:41 AM PST by Campion
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To: Campion
You seem to be deathly afraid of the very first verse of the book, because you can't admit that "must happen shortly" really means "must happen shortly".

Ok campion. If the Book of Revelation was written about things that happened "shortly" in YOUR definition of the time frame (not God's) then tell me...

When in the 1st century did an army from the east of 200 million soldiers come to invade Israel? rev 9:16. There were not 200 million people in all the earth in John's day

When in the 1st century did two witnesses for Jesus get murdered, their bodies lay dead in the street for 3 1/2 days, and then suddenly have life return to them and they stand on their feet again while "terror struck those who saw them"? (REV 11:8-11). WHen did that happen in the 1st century? When, at the VERY HOUR this was happening, did a great earthquake destroy a tenth of Jerusalem? (rev 11:13)

If it is not God's direct will that the Temple be re-built (if the "temple" is some allegorized "Jesus's body" or somesuch as you say) then why in REV 11:1 does God tell John to measure the Temple and count all the people praying in it, but NOT the courtyard out front? (Remember the 2nd Temple was destroyed 25 years before Revelation was written.)

Keep in mind, people "allegorized" the depictions of Israel in Revelation for 18 + centuries because they never expected God to bring His Chosen People back to their land which he promised them through Abraham "forever and ever". How shocked the "allegorizers" and "spiritualizers" were on May 14th 1948!! Now, when the Temple is re-built, ALL the prophesies in Revelation will be ready to happen. Christians are happy about that becuase it means the Rapture is imminent.

IN answer to your question about the seven heads... they were seven world kingdoms, in order, Assyrian, Egyptian, Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Greek, (Before Christ) Roman, was the 6th, and the 7th will also be the Revived Roman One-World Empire (headed by the Anti-Christ) and Roman One-World Church (headed by the False Prophet). You stated in a previous post that you believe Nero was the antichrist. Nero died in 68AD, before Revelation was even written. (95 AD)

If you respond, Campion, I must ask you to do so without resorting to the personal insults which you specialize in. This is a theological discussion, and your personal invective towards me does not illuminate.

111 posted on 04/02/2002 10:04:54 AM PST by berned
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