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To: DouglasKC
As you well know, I don't deny that Jesus rose bodily, I deny that he arose with a physical body. He arose with a spiritual body. You keep ignoring nearly the entire chapter of 1 Corinthians 15 and instead base your understanding on one verse of scripture that has a logical explanation.

Then you deny Jesus' own words.

Luke 24:36-40

36 Now while they were talking about this, Jesus Himself took His stand among them and said to them, Peace (freedom from all the distresses that are experienced as the result of sin) be to you!

37 But they were so startled and terrified that they thought they saw a spirit.

38 And He said to them, Why are you disturbed and troubled, and why do such doubts and questionings arise in your hearts?

39 See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself! Feel and handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see that I have.

40 And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.
65,095 posted on 08/17/2003 3:31:20 AM PDT by snerkel
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To: snerkel
Then you deny Jesus' own words. Luke 24:36-40 36 Now while they were talking about this, Jesus Himself took His stand among them and said to them, Peace (freedom from all the distresses that are experienced as the result of sin) be to you!
37 But they were so startled and terrified that they thought they saw a spirit.
38 And He said to them, Why are you disturbed and troubled, and why do such doubts and questionings arise in your hearts?
39 See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself! Feel and handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see that I have.
40 And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.

The resurrected Jesus Christ CAN NOT be made out of created material. He is the one that created all matter, both seen and unseen. The substance he is made out of has to be eternal stuff, the same stuff as God the father, stuff that is not of this world. He must be made of this stuff or he is no longer God or part of the Godhead. Do you understand?

Now this particular verse is after the resurrection. Notice that Christ miraculously appears in the midst of his disciples. Naturally they are startled. Who wouldn't be if someone just popped into existence?

Biblically spirits, other than Gods, seem to be me mostly evil things. The disciples most likely thought they were dealing with a familiar spirit, a spirit that appears to be someone else but really isn't. This happened in the old testament when a medium called up a spirit that pretended to be Samual for Saul (1 Samual 28).

Jesus wants to let them know that it is REALLY him, not a familiar spirit, or a spirit pretending to be him. I don't know what a spiritual body looks like. Do you? There is nothing that says a spiritual body can't have what appears to be flesh and bones. And this is God we're dealing with here. He very well could have just created an incarnation body to reassure them.

But his real spiritual body can't be anything that is part of the physical universe. It can't be created.

1Co 15:50 And I say this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

This verse says the same thing. Created matter can not inherit eternal things. They are on differenet planes of existence.

65,102 posted on 08/17/2003 6:23:58 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: snerkel
Then you deny Jesus' own words.

Please explain what you mean snerkel?

65,105 posted on 08/17/2003 6:47:03 AM PDT by restornu (Always keep your words soft and sweet, just in case you have to eat them.)
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To: snerkel; nobdysfool; DouglasKC; JHavard
39 See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself! Feel and handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see that I have.

Do not confuse them with scripture Snerkle

Jesus said, "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up." The Jews therefore said, 'It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?' But He was speaking of the temple of his body." John 2:19-20,

Jhn 20:27   Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.     
Jhn 20:28   And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

The interesting thing about this encounter is That Jesus had the wounds of His crucifixion , and what convinced the doubting was that it was indeed the physical body of a man they saw laid in the tomb. It is the physical resurrection that confirmed who Jesus was. The jews believed in angels and spirits. Only the tangible body of the risen Christ would have satisfied the doubting

He ate with them

Luk 24;41   And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?      42   And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.      43   And he took [it], and did eat before them.

Again I believe to verify his physical resurrection

He was raised physically, but His body was a glorified body. It was the same body, but it was different. 1 Cor. 15:42-44 says, "So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

1 Cor. 15:53-57, "For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, "Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 "O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?" 56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law; 57 but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

65,117 posted on 08/17/2003 10:52:55 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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