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To: JHavard; OLD REGGIE
Well I can at least understand why the hierarchy doesn't allow its members to interpret scripture. :-)

LOL

So you would prefer people to be a hypocrite and a liar, as long as they gave you respectful sounding lip service.

If you read what I actually said, you will see that I was merely describing the actual human condition. We are told to be perfect, but we will not end up anywhere near that field.

The negative weighting of the words you use is totally, completely absent from the passage.

Jesus was showing them that even they knew the correct answer as to which son did the right thing, so there was no excuse for them to be doing the same, to promise God yes, then when he was gone, said hell with you.

Yeah, I can see that. OK. The Priest and the Elders were working in the field, however, and quite vigorously. But they were exercising their own will, not the will of God.

Did you consider the son checking on his little sister that I asked you about, and you didn't mention the fact that the fathers will was, that they go to work, not some psychological brain trap?

Yes I did. does God actually need our help with anything? Does Gods work get done, with or without our help? Does God ask us to say "Yes"-----no one has actually responded to that aspect of my position, will you answer it, please?

Does saying yes constitute obedience? Even if you fail, fall, or falter?

If a soldier obeys an order, but falls under fire and fails to accomplish his mission, and another soldier is insubbordinate, refuses a direct order but later goes anyway, which one gets the purple heart, and which one gets disciplined?

The greek word metamellomai is a very awkward translation that can easily mean "he cared to do it afterwards" meaning to me that it may have been his own will that landed the first son out in the field. However KJV translates it Repents, others say "Changed his mind" or "regretted" Hebrews 7:21 uses the same word as "will" (His own will)

So to my fevered mind, the first son wills himself to go into the field, without any concern for his loyalty to his Father.

Do you know of anyone else in the world that has this same opinion?

None so far but one. My son sees it the same way. The analogy we have used is people who do good in the world today without feeling they do Gods work. Secular Humanists and the like. Can they be doing the will of God if they deny Gods authority over them? It is their will. Not Gods.

v.

52,713 posted on 05/10/2003 6:16:12 PM PDT by ventana
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To: ventana
Can they be doing the will of God if they deny Gods authority over them? It is their will. Not Gods.

If their will coincides with the will of God, then I'd say they are "doing the will of God".

52,750 posted on 05/12/2003 12:48:18 AM PDT by malakhi
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