[malakhi]

The father has no sin so Yeshua wouldn't be suffering for him. He's suffering for mine and your sorry behinds. Its called grace, mercy, lovingkindness, unmerited favor etc. etc. :-)

Read the second half of the verse:

the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself

I don't see how you can get around the plain meaning of this passage.

[SoothingDave]

I don't see how you can get around the plain meaning of this passage.

The plain meaning of the passage seems to be that God will judge or consider each person as an individual. Neither sin nor righteousness is inherited. It's about how God treats man, not a limitation on how God Himself can act.

SD

[Invincibly Ignorant]

the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself

I don't see how you can get around the plain meaning of this passage.

Simple. Messiah is God. This verse was speaking to men who had no power to lay down their lives for the atonement of mankind.

[Quester]

the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

I don't see how you can get around the plain meaning of this passage.

This is the justice (i.e. Old Testament) position. This does not take the grace of JESUS' sacrifice into account.