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To: JHavard
If God saves them from their sin, then they will have no sin when they enter into the kingdom, and will have been cleansed.

Their sin may be forgiven, but they're still sinners, right? They are still capable of sin even after being saved. Just like an alcoholic is always an alcoholic, even if they've been sober for 10 years.

51,170 posted on 05/02/2003 6:47:57 AM PDT by malakhi (Sola Torah, baby!)
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To: malakhi; JHavard
If God saves them from their sin, then they will have no sin when they enter into the kingdom, and will have been cleansed.

Their sin may be forgiven, but they're still sinners, right? They are still capable of sin even after being saved. Just like an alcoholic is always an alcoholic, even if they've been sober for 10 years.

I think Jim means after the final purification, after death.

SD

51,172 posted on 05/02/2003 6:50:40 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: malakhi
Their sin may be forgiven, but they're still sinners, right? They are still capable of sin even after being saved. Just like an alcoholic is always an alcoholic, even if they've been sober for 10 years.

I like this. So there is no "cure" until the body dies, and Resurrection is the body made whole? Or do you go that far?

51,189 posted on 05/02/2003 7:53:44 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: malakhi
Their sin may be forgiven, but they're still sinners, right? They are still capable of sin even after being saved. Just like an alcoholic is always an alcoholic, even if they've been sober for 10 years.

There is a distinction which is sometimes made.

A sinner is one who sins as a matter of course (i.e. he/she is powerless to not commit sin). It is their condition.

OTOH, a christian has been freed or, is in the process of being freed from the power of sin (i.e. the compulsion to sin). The true christian has access to the power to avoid sin and lives to minimize sin in his/her life. They ocassionally do sin, however, the occurrence of sin should decrease as they grow more and more into their christian being.

You can make a comparison to smoking.

Who are the smokers ?

Those who smoke a consistent of cigarettes a day, are content to do so, and, in no way, have any plans to quit smoking ...

... or ...

Those who have committed themselves to eventually giving up smoking completely, ... and, have availed themselves of any the various methods to stop smoking (i.e. the patch, gum, hypnosis, etc.).

Over the course of time, their smoking has decreased, to the point that some can go for substantial periods of time without smoking. However, they still feel the urge to light every now and then, though not so constant as before, ... and, perhaps they will give in and smoke a cigarette or two in their weaker moments.

51,196 posted on 05/02/2003 8:25:39 AM PDT by Quester
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