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To: Quester
I don't know. I've wondered about this too. How could a Christian do something like this and if they did were they ever actually saved to begin with? I think about the mother that murdered her 5 children in Texas. Everyone around her had said she had been a good Christian and that mental illness related to pregnancy and the medication she was on caused her to go crazy. Rationalizing, maybe? Or another example. Someone is a born again christian when they are young but for whatever reason turns away and gets into drugs and ends up killing someone in college while stoned. I hear lots of stories where people were saved after they committed crimes but I can't remember any professing they were a chrisian when they did so. Have you?
51,132 posted on 05/01/2003 5:04:35 PM PDT by CindyDawg (j)
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To: CindyDawg
There are several passages in the NT that refer to being able to fall away, and lose your salvation, after having been Christian and having "tasted" the truth.

We disagree I know because of your tradition of OSAS, but I believe when you come to Jesus your past sins only are forgiven at that point. Your continuing struggle against sin is a part of your new life and a function of your role in the body of the Church, "Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God."-Hbr 12:15 

v.
51,157 posted on 05/02/2003 4:43:35 AM PDT by ventana
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To: CindyDawg
How could a Christian do something like this and if they did were they ever actually saved to begin with? I think about the mother that murdered her 5 children in Texas. Everyone around her had said she had been a good Christian and that mental illness related to pregnancy and the medication she was on caused her to go crazy. Rationalizing, maybe? Or another example. Someone is a born again christian when they are young but for whatever reason turns away and gets into drugs and ends up killing someone in college while stoned. I hear lots of stories where people were saved after they committed crimes but I can't remember any professing they were a chrisian when they did so. Have you?

Almost makes you want to re-examine your paradigm that we are "saved" by a one time declaration of faith. It is quite obvious that this young person who gets "born again" can follow one of two paths. If he commits a heinous crime later in life he can either repent or not. In the first case, the sin can still be forgiven. In the second, the sin and lack of repentence call into question the "validity" of the earlier "born again" experience.

It's almost like we have to persevere to the end.

SD

51,177 posted on 05/02/2003 6:58:24 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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