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To: in_principio_erat_Verbum; SoothingDave
I find it absolutely disgusting and amazing that you and Dave can so easily make excuses for the ongoing, continuous practice of wickedness.

Are you in possession of some sort of psychic abilities of which I am unaware? Dave is Catholic. I am a Jew. So I have no vested interest in what happens to the Catholic church. I am, however, interested in truth. Neither Dave nor I are defending the practices of pedophiles. Both Dave and I are on the record as calling for the immediate suspension of suspected pedophiles, and their removal if the evidence warrants it. Our words on the subject are on record dating back over a year, since these stories first started gaining media attention. For you, a newbie, to come in here yesterday, knowing nothing at all about us, about our beliefs, about what we have previously said on the subject, and to begin making such ridiculous accusations, doesn't bode well for your credibility.

Let me spell it out to you in itty-bitty sound bites.

1. Pedophilia is evil

2. Suspected pedophiles should be (and are being) suspended pending investigation

3. If evidence warrants, they should be (and are being) removed from the priesthood

4. The coverup which occurred in some dioceses is unconscionable. Bishops who engaged in it should be (and are being) removed.

5. NONE OF THIS addresses the separate issues of the root of sin, the willfulness of sin, and the ability of priests in a state of sin to function as priests. The last is a matter of Catholic theology, and has, as both a Calvinist and an Anglican have pointed out, been hashed out over the centuries. If you don't agree with this theology, that is your prerogative.

50,861 posted on 05/01/2003 9:33:06 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: malakhi; SoothingDave
5. NONE OF THIS addresses the separate issues of the root of sin, the willfulness of sin, and the ability of priests in a state of sin to function as priests. The last is a matter of Catholic theology, and has, as both a Calvinist and an Anglican have pointed out, been hashed out over the centuries. If you don't agree with this theology, that is your prerogative.

Regarding my involvement in the conversation I began by stating pediphile priests should be removed. I do not equate sin of pedophilia with a white lie and neither did Paul obviously in 1 Corinthians 5 when he complained of a guy fornicating with his fathers wife. As a matter of fact, I find a male having sex with a 12 year old boy worse. Since I recognize these are different levels of sin my involement was just to address the fornication pediphile thing. Dave diverted the conversation to the lesser.

50,872 posted on 05/01/2003 9:52:02 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant (Hows my posting? Call 1-800-Matthew 1:24 & 25.)
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