[CindyDawg]

Are you trying to be a trouble-maker? ;-)

Nah, just trying to stay in the top ten :')

but if you recognize that someoneled you to Christ, helped you to understand, etc. and that person can rightly be said to have "participated" in your salvation. Of course, that person is only doing such things in union with Christ becuae of their own salvation, but the point remains. People still have a will.</>

So Mary led you to Christ? My grandmother was the one who did that for me. I miss her a lot but I don't pray to her.

[SoothingDave]

but if you recognize that someoneled you to Christ, helped you to understand, etc. and that person can rightly be said to have "participated" in your salvation. Of course, that person is only doing such things in union with Christ becuae of their own salvation, but the point remains. People still have a will.

So Mary led you to Christ?

Is this idea really that difficult? No, Mary didn't lead me to Christ, but Mary was absolutely instrumental in the very person of Christ being Incarnate. Maybe that means nothing to you, but where I come from, that means Mary had a huge role.

Mothers raise their children and they become a reflection of their mothers. Do you think Jesus is different?

The bottom line is that Mary, by being the mother of Jesus, is a part of the salvation of everyone. My grandmother was the one who did that for me. I miss her a lot but I don't pray to her.

Cause she's "dead." I know.

SD