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To: newgeezer
Re 50516

Lately, I wish we could play the Brewers every day. :-)

The mating call of the Pirates fan!

SD

50,325 posted on 04/30/2003 7:49:07 AM PDT by SoothingDave (It might behoove me to be heaved)
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To: CindyDawg
Re 50206

Will you explain what you mean by co-redeemer?

Are you trying to be a trouble-maker? ;-)

The first thing to recognize is that "co" does not imply an equality. We could co-write a book and you could do 99 percent of the work. The co-pilot on a plane doesn't do much of anything unless he is needed. A co-signer on a loan does nto pay half the loan.

OK? So forget about that idea.

It is simply a recognition that Mary played a crucial role in bringing Jesus to the earth. And since she did, she is a participant in the salvation of each person that Jesus saves.

That's all.

Now, we get into difficulty with certain Non-Catholic doctrines that teach that man is entirely passive in his own salvation. That God does absolutely everything and man does nothing towards his salvation. If you believe this, then the idea of saying any person had a part in another's salvation is anathema.

But if you recognize that someoneled you to Christ, helped you to understand, etc. and that person can rightly be said to have "participated" in your salvation. Of course, that person is only doing such things in union with Christ becuae of their own salvation, but the point remains. People still have a will.

So many people could be said to have followed Christ to the point where it led up to the circumstances that led to yoru salvation. All of these have "participated" in your salvation.

First among these, for all people, is Mary, who said yes to God and brought forth her Son, the Savior.

SD

50,332 posted on 04/30/2003 8:01:59 AM PDT by SoothingDave (It might behoove me to be heaved)
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