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it's in your churches tradition. Where did this come from. Scripture? It is the consistent teaching of the Church. If you accept the Bible as ambiguous on the matter, then this is a good example of how "Sacred Tradition" helps us to understand Scripture.

That is like a few baptist leaders getting together and saying, well since it isn't in scripture, we put ours heads together and came up with what we believe God forgot to tell us. Now, we'll pass then down, thru the generations and expect every church including the catholics to abide by it. You comfortable with that?

. No way could God have made him like He did Adam, huh? Why is this point not coming across? Is there any NC out there who can help me make this point?

Why? I can think for myself.

Cindy, I ask and state quite clearly the idea that if Jesus was not related to us, then He was not "one of us." And if He is not "one of us" then He is not Our Redeemer. Do you understand this argument? What difficulties do you have with it? Do you think that God Incarnating Jesus from existing, fallen humanity is different from "making" Jesus from scratch, like Adam was?

Haven't you figured it out yet? We are talking about two different issues. You are fighting for something you truly believe and I am just saying you may be right but I can't back it up with scripture and it really doesn't matter to me how God made it happen. You know, Like His will be done?

It is the consistent teaching of the Church. If you accept the Bible as ambiguous on the matter, then this is a good example of how "Sacred Tradition" helps us to understand Scripture.

All I said is that this is a good example of how Sacred Tradition helps us to understand Scripture.

You don't have to agree, and you obviously don't view your church in that kind of fashion.

I was not trying to debate, only to show you that this is one of those things. The Catholic Church has always understood the Incarnation in this way.

I know you like to limit yourself to what you can understand from Scripture. But is there really a penalty for thinking about things? If we take one idea and examine it, and see what implications it holds, we may find that it contradicts Scripture elsewhere. Then we would know that the idea is false.

That surely isn't against the Bible, is it? To test ideas and see if they contradict?