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To: SoothingDave
They weren't at the Last Supper. The Apostles didn't get it at the time either.

Ah, so the unbelievers got it and the Apostles were too ignorant to get it. I see, I get the picture. The spiritually blind understood while the spiritually accute were morons. Interesting given your prior stances on this. The incredulity is that they percieved wrongly that Jesus was talking about cannibalism - he was not. It had nothing to do with the imagery he was using to hide the truth in plain sight. The imagery was merely to convey that his body would be broken and his spirit released - he would have to die for them. And unless they believed on him as he had warned, they could not have eternal life. Communion is for those who have already believed and have been born again. It's a remembrance celebrated by those who have been born again. You're mixing the or do you not realize that you don't go and get married and then run across town to get a tux so you can get married in it. You have your events miscombobulated.

It's like the absurd notion that Baptism in water washes away sin. Ignorance. John's baptism was and is a baptism of REPENTANCE - not of cleansing from sin. One doesn't prepare the way for the savior by saving everyone before he arrives. Do you even know what it means to Repent? John's baptism is a public announcement that Hey, I've screwed up and I'm dedicating myself not to any further. Indeed, Repent! "For the day of the Lord is at hand. Stop sinning for salvation is within reach." The perversions that arise when unbelievers are overtaken by pretense..

49,007 posted on 04/28/2003 9:53:39 AM PDT by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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To: Havoc
Ah, so the unbelievers got it and the Apostles were too ignorant to get it. I see, I get the picture. The spiritually blind understood while the spiritually accute were morons. Interesting given your prior stances on this. The incredulity is that they percieved wrongly that Jesus was talking about cannibalism - he was not.

Wrong again. Why dont' you go test the souls at Burger King, or do something useful?

Those who turned away did not believe Jesus could give us His flesh to eat. They could only think carnally and were turned off by the idea of "cannibalism."

The Apostles did not knwo what to thnk of it, but they had faith in Jesus and knew not where elae they could go.

At the Last Supper, it became apparent that the eating of His Flesh would be done under the appearance of bread and Wine. IT all clicked together.

Except for those today, who still turn away, unable to believe the Jesus could have us eat His Flesh and not be cannibals. The story lives on. One side trusts Jesus to fulfill His Word in a non-repulsive manner. The other side loses faith and walks away mumbling.

It's like the absurd notion that Baptism in water washes away sin. Ignorance. John's baptism was and is a baptism of REPENTANCE - not of cleansing from sin. One doesn't prepare the way for the savior by saving everyone before he arrives.

You really, truly are ignorant. Why is any Catholic supposed to take you seriously when you don't understand the basic fundamental teachings? For what it's worth, all your bloviating here is besides the point. We don't teach that John's Baptism was efficacious. IT was merely symbolic.

It was only after the Resurrection, that Jesus commanded Baptism to be done that it became efficacious.

Of course, the most basic of understanding of Catholicism would help. As usual, you open your mouth to reveal your total ignorance.

SD

49,009 posted on 04/28/2003 10:01:37 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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