[newgeezer]

What is weak is the notion that He is somehow mystically invested in the bread and wine by the speaking of the words, SD. There's no Scriptural basis for it.

[SoothingDave]

What is weak is the notion that He is somehow mystically invested in the bread and wine by the speaking of the words

Only if you think He doesn't want to become present. If you think He is being made to appear by some human man on command, like a "stupid divinity trick," then you might have a point.

But, instead, we believe that Jesus wants to become present for us, so much that He told us to do so and that He works through even the most unworthy human man to do this.

It's perspective.

SD

[biblewonk]

There's no Scriptural basis for it.

Where have I heard this before? I was just counting how many times the apostles call Mary the Mother of God and discuss her assumption and virginity and her being the mother of the church.