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To: Quester
Is not JESUS the Head of the Church ? Is He not capable of directing His Church ?

Then what of the Apostles? Didn't they fit into the equation somewhere? Does their existence void the idea of Jesus being the Head?

No, of course not. Still, the only question remains, did the Apostles' authority dissipate or does it still exist?

And where in the Bible is it shown that the Apostles authority was to die with them?

SD

48,651 posted on 04/25/2003 1:24:25 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
Then what of the Apostles? Didn't they fit into the equation somewhere? Does their existence void the idea of Jesus being the Head?

JESUS commissioned and ordained the Apostles ministry.

There is no evidence of JESUS ordaining such a ministry to extend beyond the lives of the Apostles.

No, of course not. Still, the only question remains, did the Apostles' authority dissipate or does it still exist?

And where in the Bible is it shown that the Apostles authority was to die with them?


Peter, when directing the selection of another to take Judas' place as an apostle, specified that such a person must have been a witness of the resurrection.
Acts 1:21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,

1:22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.

1:23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.

1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,

1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

48,673 posted on 04/25/2003 2:01:45 PM PDT by Quester
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To: SoothingDave
No, of course not. Still, the only question remains, did the Apostles' authority dissipate or does it still exist? And where in the Bible is it shown that the Apostles authority was to die with them?

The authority of the Apostles did not come from within them. It came from without. And if a man come claiming apostleship, then one must judge on some basis whether he be an apostle or not. If it be on hearsay, then there is no sure measure. If it be on popularity, then right or wrong is useless - it was more popular to follow error than to be righteous even in Jesus time. Therefore the message and spirit of the message must be the key. So authority doesn't come with ceremony.. one man claiming office from another. It comes from God. And if God and his message be not in a man, then no authority in the word resides there - proving him a liar - not an apostle.

48,737 posted on 04/26/2003 5:11:50 AM PDT by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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