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This is the danger when Havoc comes around. All of a sudden eveyone forgets they are interpreting the Scripture and starts feeling that to disagree is to insult God.

How to answer this. Geepers. Dave always wants to make it so personal. I point out what the scripture says and suddenly I'm the problem - not what scripture says. Old Dave's job is to play Goebbels. Ecclesiastes 9 paints an unobscured picture that Dave doesn't like. But since I'm the one that pointed it out, Ecclesiastes 9 is void in his head. He must either accept that his leaders are wrong about something (countless somethings actually) or he must embrace his error more closely and cry to the heavens that opposing interpretations are wrong - though interpretation doesn't enter into it. When scripture states that Christ did his job then ascended to heaven - not to return till the end (period) - Dave takes this as room for his leaders to say they physically bring him back down to earth everytime they have communion. The error here is obvious and manifold as has been pointed out on countless prior occasion. But it must be because someone points that out that there is danger.. Indeed. The danger is that someone listens and learns and perhaps decides to listen to God's word rather than to Dave and his leaders. That would be tragic - for them. It is more important for them to try and paint a picture of correctness than to actually be right. Either Christ sat down as the message of God states(Heb 1:3, 10:12), or the message of God is a lie and the Catholics are right. I trust God. And Contrary to Catholic claim, that puts me on the side of Jesus and the Apostles and Catholics on the side of their philosophy.

Let's engage a little logic, Christ's return is much anticipated and is referred to as the second coming - when He shall return to the world in Judgement. To this end, Jesus gave warning that he would not return till the end and Not to believe people who would say "lo, he is there" or "he is here" (Mark 13- esp 13:21-23). He continued on to say that no man knows the hour of his return (Matt 24:27; Mark 13:32-33; Luke 12:40; 1 Thes 5:2; Rev 3:3, 16:15 ...). If no man know the time or place, how is it Catholicism claims to bring him down on demand - that would have them knowing not only the time and place but put control over him in their hands rather than His. This would have to be so in order to ensure his pressence bodily at every communion. Thus, in the error of redefining Communion as something it is not, they have treated Christ as a demon to be summoned as though they imagined they had control over Him. Noting Mark, Jesus said he would not return till all the things prophesied be fulfilled. Catholicism would have him returning everytime they break bread and drink wine. Either they are right or Jesus is. There is no middle ground on a statement like this. If Jesus is not to return till the prophecies be fullfilled, then he cannot be bodily in Communion wafers and wine. If Jesus is a liar, then He can be bodily in communion wafers and wine; but, if He be a liar, then all this is pretty elementary and none of us should be worrying with it at all. Jesus is not a liar and accusing Him of such is Blasphemy. The philosophy of the "Eucharist" by it's very nature then is blasphemy because it makes Jesus a Liar.

Communion was intended to be a simple feast of remembrance - like any other Jewish feast. But this is one that Gentiles could partake in. The reason communion is for believers is that it is symbolic of Christ's punishment and death at the hands of the world - having been wrongly accused. We remember what he indured as an innocent among us and by us. To partake as an unbeliever is to infer it should yet again happen or that it was proper. With such a thought being perpetuated, one should expect condemnation upon themselves. For only one who hates God would knowingly say such a thing.

Jesus, in this passage, is telling his disciples not to be venal men who lust after power and position.

Matthew 20:25 But Jesus called them [unto him], and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.

[26] But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;

VENAL!?

1a) Open to bribery; mercenary: a venal police officer.
1b) Capable of betraying honor, duty, or scruples for a price; corruptible.
2) Marked by corrupt dealings, especially bribery: a venal administration.
3) Obtainable for a price.

Princes of the Gentiles excercise dominion over them and they that are great (among the princes) excercise authority upon them. There is no discussion of bribery, betrayal etc. Indeed there is no mention of morality at all. It is a statement of how things are period. To be great among the princes ruling, they excercise authority over gentiles. Jesus said on the other hand that to be a great Apostle, they will not subjugate; but, rather Serve. Setting a position of principle opposition. In the world - Greatness is to rule over servants. In Christ Greatness is to be a servant - not a ruler. The things you'll say to mar and obscure Christ's words are want for description. Appaling. Had it been a warning against venality, The RCC has trashed even that in grand style. Why is it that even where you rewrite Christ, your church errs against what they rewrite - hmm. Nature of the beast.

That there has to be someone in charge is self-evident. The Church the Lord started is not anarchical.

There was someone in charge - Christ. The Church wasn't in Anarchy when the Apostles were moving about their given areas of ministry establishing congregations and teaching them. The church was led by Jesus and watched over by the Apostles and later by those whome they'd raised up to replace them in their work. They didn't run about setting up feifdomes for themselves, they moved about raising up servants of God. Anarchy came with the encroachment of error that snowballed in the time of Constantine and his successors - when men decided not only to lord themselves over the church but over the secular society as well - destroying anything that threatened their newly stolen power. Planting error grows a crop of error - or do you not know your parables. An evil tree does not bring forth good fruit. And An institution founded in lies and fraud is nothing if not evil. For lies and fraud are of the Devil. Here is a parable for you, An evil man plants weeds for a crop to choke out the food of his neighbors. For food to grow in place of weeds, the weeds must first be uprooted and the soild tended to. And everafter one must gaurd against the return of the weeds.

I would think the world had ended if the Devil wasn't mischaracterizing God's word and the truth. Danger doesnt' arise by way of men who point to scripture in need of no interpretation - Danger comes from those who don't want those verses known - who have something to gain from people being ignorant of God's word. Danger, in otherwords, exists in listening to you and yours Dave - that is if one wishes to be a Christian.