Sorry, I hadn't been following the thread of your conversation. I didn't realize you "had him".
Two questions for you:
1) If it is refered to as being "born again" or "begotten from above"... what role/choice did you play/have in your own birth? And if "none" why did God choose that example if He didn't want us to "suffer the little children to come unto Me"? And why would you insist on the personal choice aspect of it now?
2) If Baptism replaced circumcision as the rite of initiation into God's covenant family... what choice/role did infants have/play back then? And if God was talking about the same "promise" that is "to you and your children" which was circumcision... don't you think He would have SAID something about changing the rules ("Oh, and no kids anymore, they just make a mess in church")?
No, I'm the one that should apolgize. I'm sorry. That was rude of me. Dave was spinning as usually and twisting my words and refusing to answer questions. This is not a catholic issue as far as I'm concerned. It's Dave in his own little world, making the rules up as he goes along. I was working while I was eating lunch and typing too and I got aggravated with him (sorry to you to, Dave)
Two questions for you:
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1) If it is refered to as being "born again" or "begotten from above"... what role/choice did you play/have in your own birth? And if "none" why did God choose that example if He didn't want us to "suffer the little children to come unto Me"? And why would you insist on the personal choice aspect of it now? 2) If Baptism replaced circumcision as the rite of initiation into God's covenant family... what choice/role did infants have/play back then? And if God was talking about the same "promise" that is "to you and your children" which was circumcision... don't you think He would have SAID something about changing the rules ("Oh, and no kids anymore, they just make a mess in church")?
I'm sorry. I don't understand. Will you rephrase this?