how do we expect the Holy Spirit to come upon Mary without destroying her unless she is first made clean, a worthy receptacle for God to reside in? Are you "divine" Dave? Does the HS dwell within you? Again, a clean, sinless human being is not "divine." Do you understand that there is a difference, an unbridgeable gulf between being a created human and being a divine, uncreated god?
Just a repeat question. Does not the HS (God) dwell within you?
That aside, I was made clean upon my Baptism. That is what it is for, for removing sin and for giving the gift of the Holy Spirit. This was allowed because I was born after Jesus came to live on the earth, after He established His Church. .
How old were you when you were baptized? You talking about when you were an infant? I thought you had already decided that a new born is not a sinner. So now are you saying you were baptized to remove your sin?
Mary, on the other hand, lived before Jesus came to the earth. Without the benefit of Christian Baptism, she would have had no way of removing her sin prior to the Holy Ghost overshadowing her. So God cleansed her in a special way, so that she could be a dwelling place for the Lord.
How do you know she wasn't baptized ?
It removes the stain of original sin which the child cannot undo. He could (in theory only) avoid personal sin, but cannot get rid of the sin ingerited from his father (Adam).
Dave made a distinction between actual personal sin and original sin. Of course, in an adult, it works pretty well on personal sins as well. :-)
Yes. That's why I said:
That aside, I was made clean upon my Baptism. That is what it is for, for removing sin and for giving the gift of the Holy Spirit.
How old were you when you were baptized? You talking about when you were an infant? I thought you had already decided that a new born is not a sinner. So now are you saying you were baptized to remove your sin?
All those born after Adam and Eve carried Original Sin with them. This is different from personal sins, sins that you actually commit. When one is born he is unclean and unworthy to be in the Presence of God.
(When I was arguing earlier, I was talking only of personal sins, since the verse in question said "all have sinned.")
So, yes. when I was baptised as an infant, it removed Original Sin and made me worthy to be a home for the Holy SPirit, who then came to dwell.
How do you know she wasn't baptized ?
Because there wass no such thing as an efficacious Baptism priior to the Baptism of Christ and the establishment of the Church at Pentecost.
Like I said:
Mary, on the other hand, lived before Jesus came to the earth. Without the benefit of Christian Baptism, she would have had no way of removing her sin prior to the Holy Ghost overshadowing her.
SD
But that isn't in the scripture. ;o)