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To: malakhi
Re 48132

Here is an analogy. Suppose we have two people. One is a truck driver, and the other is an electrical engineer. They both own television sets. The truck driver has the owners manual and the remote control, and can operate the television without trouble. But he doesn't know how the television works. The engineer understands everything that goes on inside the box.

Following this analogy, the person who "calls upon the name of YHWH" is the man who owns the television. He trusts in YHWH for salvation, but he doesn't understand how it works. The truck driver can tell you that the television works (the one who calls upon YHWH can tell you that God saves us). The engineer can tell you how the television works (which would be analogous to the quotes you cited to me).

Don't worry, nobody every wants to follow my analogies either. ;-)

There's definitely an engineering joke in here somewhere. Like maybe the engineer can't exactly tell you how the TV works, but he can either: (1)tell you how he would have designed it better, (2)simply bluster with some made up stuff that sounds like he knows what makes it work, or (3)explain to you why it can't be fixed with the given time frame or budget.

SD

48,459 posted on 04/25/2003 8:15:09 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: malakhi
Re 48236

Those who want to identify the Babylon of 1 Peter with Rome must explain why the Bablyon of Revelation does not refer to Rome.

Not exactly.

They are two different books.

Besides that, a Catholic can accept that both refer to Rome. Revelation is referring to Rome, the Empire. Only some serious anachronism makes this reference to the Church that would grow to be situated roughly in Rome.

SD

48,461 posted on 04/25/2003 8:17:49 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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