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To: CindyDawg
I want to know more about this "divine uncreated god "stuff though.

What do you want to know? The basic point that keeps coming up is that certain non-Catholics keep asserting that a human being that is perfect must be a god.

Divinity and humanity are like dogs and cats. They are two different kinds of being. You can bathe your mutt and wash his fur and put pretty bows in it and feed it fish and train him to chase mice, but he will never be a cat.

Likewise, the perfected human, the human who is totally free from sin and perfect in every way, remains a human and not a god.

Everything, everything, that is said about Mary needs to be understood in this light. Mary is a human. We never assert anything other than that.

She was given special favor, all generations will call her blessed. We even believe that she was spared rotting in the grave. But this makes her a perfect human. Not a god.

In heaven, she has a special role. This is to help her Son distribute His graces.

This does not make her a god.

It makes her a highly favored, perfect, human being with a special role.

That is all. Those who like to make cracks about her being made part of a "quadiny" need to explain logically how what I have said changes Mary from a human into a divine being.

If you go to heaven and God assigns you the role of giving out the Hershey bars at snack time, does that make you divine? Does that make you the source of the Hershey bars?

Or does it just mean that God gave you, a human whom He has perfected in His Blood, a job to do?

SD

48,452 posted on 04/25/2003 7:56:09 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: JHavard
Re 47982

Hummmm, NC's angels never sing, but Catholics angels do, because they have their own choirs. Not believing the Bible has it's rewards huh?

PS, there is not one scripture in the Bible that says the angels can sing, I guess it's a human trait only.

I hope you're not serious. It is interesting how often the various NCs here contradict themselves on whether explicit Scripture is necessary to make a claim or not.

We know angels can speak, as the Bible is clear on that. Why one would assume that a being with a voice is incapable of using that voice to sing is unclear?

Why would you assume that?

AS far as I can tell, anyone with a voice is capable of song, at least simple chant.

SD

48,454 posted on 04/25/2003 8:02:21 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave; CindyDawg
The basic point that keeps coming up is that certain non-Catholics keep asserting that a human being that is perfect must be a god.

It is more a reaction to the Godlike qualities you are assigning to your "perfect" person.

Likewise, the perfected human, the human who is totally free from sin and perfect in every way, remains a human and not a god.

Except that the only perfect human, in the sense that you are using it, born perfect was a God.

Your entire story is a man made invention. None of it is based on Scripture.

48,460 posted on 04/25/2003 8:15:55 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE ((I am a cult of one! UNITARJEWMIAN))
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To: SoothingDave
And none of this comes from Christ, the Apostles or scripture. It is a Fiction book your religion doctrinalized.
48,496 posted on 04/25/2003 9:20:47 AM PDT by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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To: SoothingDave
In heaven, she has a special role. This is to help her Son distribute His graces.

Mary tell you this because I know God didn't?.

If you go to heaven and God assigns you the role of giving out the Hershey bars at snack time, does that make you divine? Does that make you the source of the Hershey bars?

God, might put me in charge of the chocolate? MMMM. I think I would feel really divine :')

48,585 posted on 04/25/2003 11:57:23 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: SoothingDave
She was given special favor, all generations will call her blessed. We even believe that she was spared rotting in the grave. But this makes her a perfect human. Not a god. In heaven, she has a special role. This is to help her Son distribute His graces. This does not make her a god.

See, this what I don't understand. I agree shw was special and blessed, but when you start talking about praying thru her, distributing grace, and being imortal (ascending instead of dieing) this troubles me. I see those charteristics as god-like.

48,698 posted on 04/25/2003 4:03:34 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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