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I understand what you are saying but do you have to call them liars?

Most of these issues have been beaten to death over the last few years of my participation here. There is literally no amount of facts that will move some of them. So yes, calling them liars is appropriate. I think I'm showing restraint by not using the language Jesus would have used with them, though I have from time to time done so. It is appropriate to label things for what they are. Or would you call the thief walking through your house toward the front door with a bag full of your possessions an "alleged perpetrator" appearing to care for your goods while in your home. The reason these guys are so deluded is because people stand by and let this stuff happen and don't call it what it is and don't keep their leaders' feet to the fire to keep them honest. Beyond that, you should ask some of the long time NCs here about who I am. You'll find I'm the one of the closest things to kryptonite to these guys. They've spent a vast amount of time in the past trying to find a way to marginalize me, shut me up or otherwise get rid of me. And I've long since understood from the spirit that these guys will not be affected - so my message is for the lurkers. And I generally do well with the lurkers.

Break time over I see :'). Well, krypto, I don't have any problems with what you are saying except that I still don't like the "liar" name calling. You have to know something isn't true in order to lie don't you? Your way is just not my way. You can preach the message but you can't make someone accept it.

Sheesh, a guy leaves for a couple of days and finds he's got about 300-400 posts to catch up on. Moreover, I've got only a little time this afternoon to freep. But I just can't let this one pass.

Havoc to CindyDawg: "You'll find I'm the one of the closest things to kryptonite to these guys."

Uh Havoc, you sure you want to stick with this simile?

First, kryptonite was only lethal to Superman, the ultimate force for good in Metropolis. (A role I'm sure all us Catholics would be willing to play.-)

Second, kryptonite was always the means used by the forces of evil to try to bring down Superman so that they could carry off their nefarious plans.

And, finally, despite possessing kryptonite, the forces of evil were just never quite able to bring it off and bring down Superman. Good always triumphed in the end. And, interestingly, quite often what led to the forces of evil ultimate demise was often a misplaced sense of pride.