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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
is my light and my salvation;
whom shall I fear? (Psalm 27:1)

For God alone my soul waits in silence;
from him comes my salvation.
He only is my rock and my salvation,
my fortress; I shall not be greatly moved.
For God alone my soul waits in silence,
for my hope is from him.
He only is my rock and my salvation,
my fortress; I shall not be shaken. (Psalm 62: 1-2,5-6)

Our God is a God of salvation;
and to GOD, , belongs escape from death. (Psalm 68:20)

is my strength and my song;
he has become my salvation. (Psalm 118:14)

Behold, God is my salvation;
I will trust, and will not be afraid;
for is my strength and my song,
and he has become my salvation." (Isaiah 12:2)

But Israel is saved by
with everlasting salvation;
you shall not be put to shame or confounded
to all eternity. (Isaiah 45:17)

All of these are in the present tense, not looking forward to the future. Do you understand "salvation" to mean something different than what the gospel describes? If not, how can those who trust in the LORD not be saved? Did God change His conditions? Do His promises to Israel no longer stand?

And he believed ; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness. (Isaiah 15:6)

47,839 posted on 04/21/2003 1:41:28 PM PDT by malakhi (fundamentalist unitarian)
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To: malakhi
You talking to me? :)

I've got some things to do, I'll look over your post later and guide you into the promise land. :)

BigMack
47,846 posted on 04/21/2003 1:49:35 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Do you understand "salvation" to mean something different than what the gospel describes?

The above is poorly worded. What I mean is, does "salvation" in the gospel mean same thing as "salvation" in the Hebrew scriptures?

47,848 posted on 04/21/2003 1:53:02 PM PDT by malakhi (fundamentalist unitarian)
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To: malakhi
Did God change His conditions?

angelo, until you understand and accept this you will always have problems with Christ being God.

The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner [Ps. 118:22].

The stone in this verse refers to Christ Himself. Our Lord in Matthew 21:42 made that clear: “… Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?” First Peter 2:6–8 says, “Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. The stone is the Lord Jesus Christ.

Leviticus teaches that the way to God is by sacrifice. The word atonement occurs 45 times in this book. Atonement means to “cover up.” The blood of bulls and goats did not actually take away sin. It covered over sin until Christ came to take away all sins. This is what Paul is referring to in Romans 3:25: “Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.”

The sins that are past are the sins back in the Old Testament. You see, God never accepted the blood of bulls and goats as the final payment for sin, but He required that blood be shed. It was an atonement to cover over the sins until Christ came. In other words, God saved “on credit” in the Old Testament. When Christ came, as the hymn accurately states it, “Jesus paid it all.” This is true as far as the past is concerned, and as far as the present is concerned, and as far as the future is concerned.

One of the key verses in Leviticus, dealing with atonement, is found in Leviticus 17:11, “For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.” The way to God is by sacrifice and without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins.

Do His promises to Israel no longer stand?

But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end [Isa. 45:17].

Israel’s salvation is everlasting. God says, “Yes, you are going to be judged, Israel. You are going to Babylon, but you are going to return to the land. Rebellion is still in your heart, but ultimately I am going to save you.” He is speaking of the nation of Israel being saved, not individual people.

BigMack

47,955 posted on 04/21/2003 8:15:32 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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