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To: SoothingDave
You are the only one with faulty logic. The rational world recognizes that one can be saved from error before such error is committed.

Really - So one can go to confession in a Catholic Church, recieve absolution for that which they have yet to do and then go commit murder knowing they will be covered. This is what you are arguing - aside from the obvious blasphemy, it's absurd to say nothing of unscriptural.

If I double check your prescription and find that it would have reacted to an allergy and killed you, I have certainly "saved" you just as much as if I had to perform an emergency procedure to "save" you had you ingested the wrong medicine.

Again, You are arguing a one time for all time fix for her sin and a removal of her free will thus compromising God on his own law - You've accused God of sin. And as soon as you reach that point, what you proffer is immediatly proven false. God cannot sin or violate his own laws regarding our status. That was the reason for Christ's coming - to do it within his laws. If he could merely snap his fingers and preserve anyone from sin, Christ would not be needed. Period, which means God established an intricate plan and acted foolishly and all for naught because it was not needed. In this you set yourself up as wiser and craftier than God - again contravening scripture.

Mary was saved from the pit of sin by never falling in, instead of being lifted out. The effect is the same -- she was saved. But she did not sin, though she would have sinned, had she not been saved first.

The effect is not the same. And your reasoning contravenes not only scripture; but, your own contrived system of pennance, indulgeance, confession, contrition, gobbledy gook. Your falacy prone logic has contravened your own system. For you yourself know that you cannot go to confession and get relief from sin you are going to commit. Nor can we get an advance pass from Christ to go commit murder. Do you proof read these lies before you utter them?

This is so elementary it is a wonder anyone even questions it.

It is so elementary it's a wonder everyone here isn't beating you sensless on this.

47,676 posted on 04/21/2003 9:25:31 AM PDT by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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To: Havoc
You are the only one with faulty logic. The rational world recognizes that one can be saved from error before such error is committed.

Really - So one can go to confession in a Catholic Church, recieve absolution for that which they have yet to do and then go commit murder knowing they will be covered. This is what you are arguing - aside from the obvious blasphemy, it's absurd to say nothing of unscriptural.

Like I said, you are the one with the faulty logic. you don't udnerstand pre-emptive salvation and you think that confession can somehow work like that. your analogy is as faulty as your razor thin knowledge.

Again, You are arguing a one time for all time fix for her sin and a removal of her free will thus compromising God on his own law - You've accused God of sin. And as soon as you reach that point, what you proffer is immediatly proven false. God cannot sin or violate his own laws regarding our status. That was the reason for Christ's coming - to do it within his laws. If he could merely snap his fingers and preserve anyone from sin, Christ would not be needed. Period, which means God established an intricate plan and acted foolishly and all for naught because it was not needed. In this you set yourself up as wiser and craftier than God - again contravening scripture.

Mary is an exceptional case. God is not bound by time. It is funny that you are so limited by your human thoughts, which you claim to be the mind of God.

For you yourself know that you cannot go to confession and get relief from sin you are going to commit. Nor can we get an advance pass from Christ to go commit murder.

I seriously question your sanity. Why do you continue to make these thigns up? What is the supposed comparison between someone, by the grace of Christ, being prevented from sinning and someone who lies in confession with the intention of sinnning in the future?

There is none. You are so far off base it is amusing.

Mary did not go to confession and get absolution for sins she was going to commit in the future. Instead she simply did not sin.

If you can't tell the difference between past, present, and future and between being forgiven and having nothing to be forgiven for, then I can't help you.

Please go away again and stop wasting everyone's time with your rantings.

SD

47,713 posted on 04/21/2003 10:38:04 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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