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To: JHavard
Re 47336

Since He came for the sinner, does it seem reasonable that he would require a divine womb, or would he be born from a woman who represented those He came to save?

Again, we see this peculiar idea that a woman without sin is somehow "divine." I wonder where this idea comes from.

Stay tuned.

Jim, another thought. Remember Isaiah has a vision and has his lips seared with a coal to purify them. Because nothing impure can stand in God's presence.

How do we expect the Holy Spirit to come upon Mary without destroying her unless she is first made clean, a worthy receptacle for God to reside in?

SD

47,572 posted on 04/21/2003 7:43:42 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: JHavard
Re 47363

When you sin now, it only effects the flesh, not our Spirit that is now protected by Christ Spirit, which can not sin.

The idea that we are pure spirits trapped in sinful bodies is called "gnosticism." It is an ancient heresy.

Sin is sin because it adheres to our souls, changing our very being.

You seem to be considering your flesh as the heart of a person, but its simply a covering that will be discarded when you die, and it’s what pleasures in sin in us now. When your sinful flesh dies, it’ll have no effect on your spirit that Christ has indwelled in you.

Human beings are body and soul united. We expect a new body at the Resurrection. We sin because of who we are, nto because we happen to be saddled with a dirty body, from which we need liberated.

SD

47,574 posted on 04/21/2003 7:47:21 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
Jim, another thought. Remember Isaiah has a vision and has his lips seared with a coal to purify them. Because nothing impure can stand in God's presence. How do we expect the Holy Spirit to come upon Mary without destroying her unless she is first made clean, a worthy receptacle for God to reside in?

I'll admit that an immaculate conception would be preferable to hot coals...

47,624 posted on 04/21/2003 8:37:08 AM PDT by malakhi (fundamentalist unitarian)
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To: SoothingDave
How do we expect the Holy Spirit to come upon Mary without destroying her unless she is first made clean, a worthy receptacle for God to reside in?

Are you "divine" Dave? Does the HS dwell within you?

47,908 posted on 04/21/2003 5:20:25 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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