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To: CindyDawg
Re 47259

Yall seem to think I'm bashing Mary. That is absolutely incorrect. I have repeatedly stated I have the highest respect for her (the mother of Jesus) for what she did but I don't accept that she is part of the trinity. Show me scripture where I'm wrong.

Again, who said that she was "part of the Trinity"?

Show me where any Catholic has said such a thing.

I find it interesting that, even while you are in the midst of a discussion with others about whether the "saved" are "perfect" or not (and coming to the conclusion that they are, but shouldn't mention it cause it might confuse people) you insist on equating a sinless human with divinity.

Is that really what you think? That a human being who is free from sin is a god?

SD

47,554 posted on 04/21/2003 7:24:13 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Re 47264

The pontiff did say there were some special circumstances in which other Christians could take communion from a Roman Catholic priest to meet the need for "eternal salvation."

I pulled this statement from the article "The Pope Cracks down on Lax Practices" Could you all interprete for me?

Sure.

In an emergency situation (near death, that is), a Christian who professes a belief in the Real Presence in the Sacrament may receive it from a Catholic priest. Even if they are not a Catholic.

Note that this primarily refers to the Orthodox, though some Anglicans and even Lutherans might apply.

Likewise, if I found myself near death and a Catholic priest was not available, I could seek out the services of an Orthodox priest (if he would serve me).

SD

47,556 posted on 04/21/2003 7:27:35 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: CindyDawg
Re 47273,47285

Yall know where Mary is? I mean physically, where she was buried/tombed?

Like Elijah, Mary was assumed, body and soul, into Heaven after her life was over.

Catholic Christians make extensive use of relics, including bones, of saints. Yet there are no relics of Mary's body. This is a testament to the universal belief that her body is not on earth.

So how would your life change if her remains were found and she was genetically determined to be the mother of James?

As another said, the very existence of her remains on earth would be a repudiation of the Church. The Church has taught, infallibly, that Mary's remains are not here. So if they were found and authenticated, that would mean that the Church was wrong.

Which would absolutely destroy the very foundation of the Church as inerrant. Which would be a monumentally world-changing event.

In my case, if it was determined she was an eternal virgin I would be surprised but it wouldn't affect my faith or beliefs. You didn't answer my question about how your church would feel about testing.

So. Everyone you know and trust, including your own eyes and ears, and the Holy Spirit which guides you to Truth while reading Scripture, would have been proven to have been wrong. And this "wouldn't affect" your faith or beliefs.

And on top of this, the one Church that you know from you private reading of Scripture to be "wrong" on some many things is proven right, despite your own person reading of Scripture that says otherwise.

And this wouldn't give you pause?

SD

47,561 posted on 04/21/2003 7:34:49 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
who said that she was "part of the Trinity"?

You tell me. You are the one who says you pray to her. I'm not the one who worships, er I mean "venerates" her.

I find it interesting that, even while you are in the midst of a discussion with others about whether the "saved" are "perfect" or not (and coming to the conclusion that they are, but shouldn't mention it cause it might confuse people) you insist on equating a sinless human with divinity.

I did this? :')Hmmm, and I thought I was still undecided. You gonna back this up with scripture or not. When you throw my posts back to me, you seem to miss that part. Do I need to put it in big letters? Maybe color it? Oops. forget the coloring for now. I'm still trying to figure that one out too.

47,609 posted on 04/21/2003 8:14:25 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: SoothingDave
Dave,

Greetings.

Is there a particular reason that, when you're going to reply to someone's post, you aren't clicking that post's "Post Reply" link? It would make following the subthread much easier, in either direction, for those of us who're interested in doing so.

47,690 posted on 04/21/2003 9:57:31 AM PDT by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible)
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