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To: OLD REGGIE; ksen
Reggie, just one self-identified Catholic saying they "worship" Mary would be sufficient. For starters.

Unless you are going to post Ksen's favorite passage, in which case I don't feel like playing stupid semantic games.

SD

47,165 posted on 04/17/2003 10:22:01 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
Reggie, just one self-identified Catholic saying they "worship" Mary would be sufficient. For starters.

Unless you are going to post Ksen's favorite passage, in which case I don't feel like playing stupid semantic games.


I imagine you don't wish to get into (again) the "special" definition of worship as applied to JPII or the semantic differences between "latria" and "hyperdulia". That is fine with me. I'll settle for the definition of "hyperdulia" from an official Catholic source such as the Catholic Catechism or a declared Infallible pronouncement from a Pope or a "unanimous" declaration of a Council. Fair enough?

In the meantime:

Pope Paul VI,
"From the time that we were called to the Chair of St. Peter, we have constantly worked to increase the worship of Mary (culto mariano)" [per il retto ordinamento e sviluppo del culto della beata Vergine Maria - esortazione apostolica di Sua Santita Paolo VII, Page 2]
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The whole Trinity, O Mary, gave thee a name...above every name, that at Thy name, every knee should bow, of things in heaven, on earth, and under the earth.” (The Glories of Mary by Bishop Alphonse de Ligouri (Brooklyn: Redemptorist Fathers, p. 260).

The Holy Church commands a worship peculiar to Mary (The Glories of Mary by Bishop Alphonse de Ligouri p. 130).

Many things...are asked from God, and are not granted; they are asked from Mary, and are obtained, for She...is even Queen of Hell, and Sovereign Mistress of the Devils.” (The Glories of Mary by Bishop Alphonse de Ligouri (Brooklyn: Redemptorist Fathers, 1931). pp. 127, 141, 143).

Mary is the co-redeemer, for she participated with Christ in the painful act of redemption. (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 618, 964, 968, 970) “All power is given to thee in Heaven and on earth, so that at the command of Mary all obey-even God...and thus...God has placed the whole Church...under the dominion of Mary (pp. 180-181). Mary is also the Advocate of the whole human race...for she can do what she wills with God” (The Glories of Mary by Bishop Alphonse de Ligouri (Brooklyn: Redemptorist Fathers, p. 193).

The Glories of Mary: "Mary is called the gate of heaven, because no one can enter that blessed kingdom without passing by her" (p.134)

"And shall we scruple to ask her to save us, when 'the way of salvation is open to none otherwise than thru Mary.'" (p.143)

"He who is protected by Mary will be saved; he who is not will be lost." (p.144)

The Glories of Mary: "All power is given to thee in heaven and on earth, and nothing is impossible to thee, who canst raise those who are in despair to the hope of salvation." (p.154)

"At the command of Mary, all obey, even God." (p.155)

"Yes, Mary is omnipotent." (p.155)

"This great Virgin, who is the Mother of your God and Judge, is also the Advocate of the whole human race : fit for this office, for she can do what she wills with God." (p.171-172)

The Glories of Mary: "We often more quickly obtain what we ask by calling on the name of Mary than by invoking that of Jesus." (p.228)

"For she ... is our salvation, our life, our hope, our counsel, our refuge, our help." (p.230)

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Ligouri, the Glories of Mary

47,222 posted on 04/17/2003 12:49:39 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a cult of one? UNITARJEWMIAN)
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To: SoothingDave; ksen
Reggie, just one self-identified Catholic saying they "worship" Mary would be sufficient. For starters.

"Total Consecration, which itself is the perfection of devotion to Mary, consists in offering everything you have, body and soul, interiorly and exteriorly, spiritual and temporal to Mary and Her service, as a slave to his Queen." (St. Louis Marie Montfort "True Devotion to Mary")

"Everything you have" is not worship?

47,236 posted on 04/17/2003 2:06:05 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a cult of one? UNITARJEWMIAN)
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To: SoothingDave
I don't feel like playing stupid semantic games

Oh no! Not getting sick on us are you? lol

47,246 posted on 04/17/2003 5:27:07 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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