[SoothingDave]

That only proves Mary needed grace.

Yes, it does. It also shows that she had already received her full complement of it. This occured at her conception.

Saying Mary was born without original sin does not mean she did not need grace or a savior.

SD

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Yes, it does. It also shows that she had already received her full complement of it. This occured at her conception.

Saying Mary was born without original sin does not mean she did not need grace or a savior.

Silly me. I always thought grace meant something like "unmerited favor"..