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I finally started seeing this difference and I differeniate by saying the RCC teaches, and Catholics believe. It's rather amusing (concerning the Mary worship topic), I have stated that I have changed my views on what the RCC teaches, that no one caught that I was refering to what I believe the RCC teaches, and not what I still beleive the vast majority of Catholics actually believe/do.

Dave, instead of saying what Catholics believe, say the RCC teaches.

Does this make sense? :) Becky

(Becky) Dave, instead of saying what Catholics believe, say the RCC teaches.

Does this make sense? :) Becky

(SD) Yes, that would appear to be one way out of it. I'll try to remember.

Something told me this wasn't the first time the specificity of the term "Catholics Believe" had been discussed and Dave had admitted it probably wasn't exactly the proper term.

Since I had some free time and because I am a "skootch", I decided to look for some "Davisms" concerning the use of "Catholics".

I went back to August and decided it wasn't necessary to dig any deeper. The story is told.

(SD) 8/20/02 "Once you are Baptised, you are Catholic. There's no going back."

I replied that Dave had settled on a very broad definition of Catholic which included people like angelo and me in the group of "Catholics believe".

(SD) I have "settled" on nothing. Sometimes I mean it in the broadest possible sense. But most of the time, I am espousing orthodox Catholic teaching, which is much narrower.
Typical Dave smoke which really says "it means what I think it means at the time I say it.

(angelo) If only half of baptized, at least occasionally church-attending Catholics believe in the Real Presence, then saying "Catholics believe in the Real Presence" is somewhat problematic. Probably better to say "the official teaching of the church is the Real Presence" or some variation thereof.

(SD) Yes. I admit I am using a form of verbal shorthand and have offered to clarify when any confusion arises. I simply can't see, amongst friends, the need to be overly belaboring, even if it is a more exacting usage.
The first grudging admission that he could be more precise.

(Becky) Dave, instead of saying what Catholics believe, say the RCC teaches.

(SD) Yes, that would appear to be one way out of it. I'll try to remember.
Note he'll "try" to remember as if it is so difficult to do so.

Don't hold your breath. He'll continue in his ways and be "astonished" when someone (usually me) picks him up on it.

Wanna bet?

Don't forget, he knows I know he knows and we know he knows we know and he will continue to pretend he doesn't know we know he knows we know.