The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)

Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

[Uri’el-2012]

saradippity ;JHavard; ventana; CindyDawg; RobbyS

Excuse me for butting in but I just reread the letters to the churches in Apocalypse/Revelations,chapters 2 and 3 and ask that you read it also.To me,it seems impossible to deny that we are judged according to our labours,works,ministries,charity and adherence to doctrine.It also appears that behaviors are included in those things for which we will be judged.And that penance is necessary to rectify failures.

There seems to be no question that man can fall and fail to "overcome" and thereby lose eternal life or the "crown". It talks about resisting temptation and the entire chapters seem to affirm Ventana's contention that one can fall from grace and lose eternal life despite,at one time believing and being faithful.

I would be interested in all of your interpretation of those two chapters since I fail to see how it could be possible to read and understand it differently than I do.But then again I may be one who has eyes but does not see.Thanks for your input. I'ss be especially interested in how you read it JH.

52,217 posted on 05/08/2003 12:23 AM MDT by saradippity

Please see this for another view of Revelation 2 & 3

Matthew 23:39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say,
`Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'" [Psalm 118:26]


Barukh haba b'Shem Adonai
Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord
Y'shua HaMashiach

chuck <truth@YeshuaHaMashiach>

[JohnnyM]

Do you agree that when we are saved that we become a new creation in Christ? That we died on that Cross with him and we live by the power of His Resurrection. If therefore we lose that salvation (i.e. lose that new created life) how then can we regain it? Can we be born yet again???

JM

[SoothingDave]

Father in Heaven,
Please allow the murmur in little Hannah's heart to be nothing more than the flutter of joy found in being born a Texan.

We ask this through Our Lord Jesus Christ, who lives and reigns with You and the Holy Spirit, One God for ever and ever.

SD

[OLD REGGIE]

Thanks. Mail back.

[SoothingDave]

2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

Do you agree that when we are saved that we become a new creation in Christ? That we died on that Cross with him and we live by the power of His Resurrection. If therefore we lose that salvation (i.e. lose that new created life) how then can we regain it? Can we be born yet again???

Our lives on earth are the story of our becoming a new creation. We learn to put on Christ. Or we learn to ignore Christ. We are free.

One who has never been brought to Christ is a sadness, a life lost without any true hope. One who had life in Christ and discarded it is a tragedy. Until we die, Christ is always ready to accept us, no matter how far we have drifted.

SD

[malakhi]

That policy stays in place until the death of the policy holder now matter how old they are when they die.

I have specifically and repeatedly said I am talking about a 20 year term life policy. I also made clear in my example yesterday that I assumed the insured did not convert the policy to a permanent or whole life policy, or otherwise renew it. This means the policy expires after 20 years. If the insured outlives the term of the policy, then the policy is no longer in effect. So your statement above is flat wrong! If a 30 year old man takes out a 20 year term life policy, and then dies at the age of 85, then he dies 35 years after the policy expired. The policy does not stay in effect until the death of the policy holder, unless the holder happens to die within the term of the policy. So clearly, the age of the holder at death does matter. I don't know why you think it doesn't.

The benefits are for the policy holder but for the beneficiary(s) upon death.

I assume you mean "the benefits are [NOT] for the policy holder but for the beneficiary(s) upon death"? Of course. I explicitly said so in my example yesterday.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Although its interesting that when the rich young ruler approached Jesus and asked what must I do to obtain "aionios zoe" Jesus responed.

"If thou wilt be perfect" "telios" which means "complete or spiritually mature", go and sell all that thou hast, and give to the poor, and though shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

So Jesus' reply was not "if you will be saved" but "if thou wilt be perfect". Therefore, what the rich young ruler walked away from was not salvation but spiritual maturity.

[al_c]

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Thursday, May 08, 2003
Easter Weekday

First Reading: Responsorial Psalm: Gospel:

Acts 8:26-40 Psalm 66:8-9, 16-17, 20 John 6:44-51 God's mercy is like an unleashed torrent; it bears away all hearts in its flood.  -- St. John Vianney

The following is, as usual, from The Word Among Us:

Having been filled with the power of the Holy Spirit, Philip developed a natural expectation to hear God's voice. Through years of practice, he had become sensitive to the Spirit's promptings and knew when God was speaking to him. So when the Spirit told Philip, "Go over to this chariot and join it" (Acts 8:29), he was swift to obey. It may not have made much sense at first, but Philip's desire to spread the good news won out. If he thought the Spirit was telling him to chase after a chariot, he would do it--and the results were amazing.

Like any skill, discerning the Spirit's voice requires practice. After all, God's way of thinking can be quite different from ours. For example, we might wonder why Philip, whose mission was to preach the gospel, would be directed to leave an area like Samaria, where his preaching was bearing fruit and to travel through a less populated region? And why should he approach a eunuch, whose physical condition, according to the Mosaic Law, made him incapable of participating fully in Israel's worship?

A man guided only by human thinking could find reasons to dismiss these promptings from the Spirit. But through acts of loving obedience and time in prayer and study of Scripture, Philip had absorbed Jesus' way of thinking. He had come to see how precious each person is to God, and he was not too surprised when spreading the gospel involved some unexpected maneuvers.

Through our prayer and study of God's word, we too can prepare ourselves to hear the Spirit's voice. Let us think of ourselves as athletes in competition. A runner, on his mark, drowns out all distractions and strains to hear the signal that begins the race. Similarly, let us work at shutting out distractions so we can hear the gentle voice of the Spirit. God is always preparing people's hearts to receive the good news. Even if we are shy or reticent, the Spirit can guide us and make our very lives into signs of his love to people who are ready to receive them.

"Holy Spirit, be with me today as I walk among your people. You always point to Jesus Christ, the Lamb who has taken away the sins of the world. Guide me to those whom you have prepared, so that they will know the joy of belonging to Jesus."

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God bless.

AC

[malakhi]

Just got a call from mrs. al_c saying that Hannah's doctor has discovered a murmer in her heart and says to have it checked out by a cardiologist. Now this is probably going to be minor (mrs. al_c has a murmer, too) but prayers would surely be welcomed.

Absolutely, al. Prayers for little Hannah.

[al_c]

nothing more than the flutter of joy found in being born a Texan.

I love it!!!! Thanks, Dave.

[JohnnyM]

"Our lives on earth are the story of our becoming a new creation"

Scripture please.

2 Cor 17 5:17
Therefore, if any one is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has passed away, behold, the new has come.

JM

[malakhi]

Fascinating.

Search for a Talmud in Baghdad

[ventana]

Hbr 10:26  
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

you can stumble into sin, and Jesus will lift you up. If you throw yourself at it, however...you seem by this passage to have forsaken your birthright.

v.

[malakhi]

The purchase of the policy is not simply for that 20 year period, that is the period of purchase only. The policy is purchased to provide benefits to those left behind at death.

You are thinking of whole life, annuities, and various of types of insurance products. What you describe is not the case for term life. Term life is more like homeowners or car insurance. It is in effect only for the time period of the policy. If X happens, then Y payment is made. That's it. No benefits after the term of the policy.

http://faqfarm.com/life-insurance/term-life-insurance.html

What is term life insurance?

Advantages | Disadvantages | Three Types

Term life insurance is the simplest -- and usually the cheapest -- form of life insurance. Term life provides protection for a specific period of time. It pays a benefit only if you die during the term. If you are living the policy expires without value. It is sometimes called temporary life insurance.

Policies generally last for 1, 5, 10, 15, or 20 years, or to some specified age such as age 65 or age 100.

Some policies can be renewed when you reach the end of the term. The premium rates increase at each renewal date. Many policies require that you present evidence of insurability at renewal to qualify for lower rates.

Some policies are convertible. They guarantee the right to switch or "convert" to one of the company's whole or permanent life policies. Conversion rights usually guarantee that you will be accepted for the whole life policy regardless of your health when you convert. But the whole life policy you switch to could be very expensive.

Term Insurance Advantages

• Initial premiums generally are lower than those for permanent insurance, allowing you to buy higher levels of coverage at a younger age when the need for protection often is greatest.

• It's good for covering needs that will disappear in time, such as mortgages or car loans.

Term Insurance Disadvantages

• Premiums increase as you grow older.

• Coverage may terminate at the end of the term or become too expensive to continue.

• The policy generally doesn't offer cash value or paid-up insurance.

http://www.instantlifequote.com/tutorial1.html

Insurance Tutorial

What is Term Life Insurance?

1) What is term life insurance? 2) What is the difference between term and permanent life insurance? 3) What kind of term insurance is right for me? 4) What happens when the term is over? 5) Do I really need term insurance? 6) How much insurance do I need? 7) How can I lower the costs of insurance?

Term life insurance is a way to replace lost income when a family member dies (usually the highest income earner). This type of life insurance is called "term" because the coverage lasts during a term of 1, 2, 5, 10, 15, 20, or even 30 years. If you die during the term of the policy, the amount of the policy is paid to your beneficiary. If you die after the coverage period, no benefits are paid. In addition to the cash benefit, a good policy should also provide for funeral expenses, probate costs, taxes, child care, debts, and other new expenses. These costs can quickly escalate into tens of thousands of dollars, and large estates can cost even more. If there is someone who depends on your income for survival, then you definitely need life insurance. Many financial planning experts would recommend that families with children should have a term life insurance policy until their youngest child is 18 years old.

[al_c]

Stop it please! I get enough of this at work (Blue Cross). ;o)

[malakhi]

As I'd stated, I'm talking about "whole life", not term life.

Where, precisely, have you stated this?

The entire conversation the rest of us have been having has been about term life. You may have gotten a hint about this if you had carefully read the words term life in my posts. Sounds like YOU made another "category error". Thanks for wasting my time. It won't happen again.

[malakhi]

Stop it please! I get enough of this at work (Blue Cross). ;o)

Oh, I'm stopping all right. ipeV has been insisting that he knows what he is talking about, and then suddenly pulls out his "As I'd stated, I'm talking about "whole life", not term life" comment. Now, the posts of mine he's replied to, and even the quotes he's pulled, have specifically said "term life". So either he can't admit he was wrong, or he's playing games. Either way, I'm done with him.