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The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)
Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.


Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams

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To: SoothingDave
(SD) " . . . can you agree, as I gave an out earlier, that suffering helps to sanctify us?"

(Reg) NO! In some cases it may, in others, absolutely not.

(SD) Reggie corrects my statement again. Of course I meant that suffering may help to sanctify us, depending on our own attitude. Suffering turns some in to saints, and others into, ironically, insufferable people.

(Reg) Learn to say what you mean. Your "open ended" pronouncements leave too much for later "modification".

(SD) Learn to read what I say, instead of giving me the inquisition all the time.

GO BOTHER SOMEONE ELSE
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Am I in a dream world? Did I or did I not use, repeat and document that I was using the exact definition Doug Dave used?

Why can no one admit this? Is it that difficult to see? I guess I'm cursed to be the only one who understands the difference between meeting the requirements and following through to the conclusion.

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Gosh. Different rules for different folks.

52,102 posted on 05/07/2003 10:26:02 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE ((I am a cult of one! UNITARJEWMIAN))
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To: in_principio_erat_Verbum; DouglasKC
That's a classic category mistake. Life insurance whereby death is assured, one day, should the Lord tarry, is not "chance", as in buying a lottery ticket where the odds of chance are billions to one. Death is a certainty, should the Lord tarry. The comparison fails as a gross category mistake.

Spare me your analysis. Doug seems to be arguing that desiring money for your heirs is not coveting, so there can be no sin attached to such activity.

So I concoct a hypothetical where money is obtained for the heirs, but the person has to die first. The question is whether this fits his definition of "coveting" or not.

The question of how life insurance is "gambling" was covered in depth several times over the last few days. Suffice it to say that it is not the certainty of "death" that is being gambled over, but its timing in regards to other more lucrative investments the premium money could be used for.

SD

52,104 posted on 05/07/2003 10:33:23 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
Spare me your analysis.

Nobody should be spared urinalysis. :-)

52,105 posted on 05/07/2003 10:35:52 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant (How's my posting? Call 1-800-eat-waste material)
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To: malakhi; IMRight
malakhi ; IMRight

IMR>Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, right?

m>Yep!


52,063 posted on 05/07/2003 10:42 AM MDT by malakhi


Deep Thought

Praise His Holy Name.

chuck <truth@YeshuaHaMashiach>

52,109 posted on 05/07/2003 10:43:06 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012
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To: in_principio_erat_Verbum
That doesn't make it "gambling", that makes it a bad investment.

All investments are gambling.

SD

52,111 posted on 05/07/2003 10:47:54 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Payno, you're bad. LOL
52,112 posted on 05/07/2003 10:47:54 AM PDT by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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To: in_principio_erat_Verbum
because your category mistakes need to be pointed out.

It's not a "category mistake" when you don't even understand the point I am making. Try to liten and learn a bit first.

SD

52,114 posted on 05/07/2003 10:48:58 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Frank who? :-)

Well, there's someone here that does a good frank burns imitation. LOL

52,115 posted on 05/07/2003 10:49:29 AM PDT by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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To: in_principio_erat_Verbum
Christian captitalism is great. Laissez faire capitalism will be it's own deathnell

How do you define "Christian capitalism"?

I'd point out that we presently are a loooooooong way from "laissez faire capitalism".

52,118 posted on 05/07/2003 10:52:33 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: in_principio_erat_Verbum; DouglasKC
Doug seems to be arguing that desiring money for your heirs is not coveting,

Doug is right. Proverbs even says so.

You seem to be confused. Perhaps you should go back and read my posts again.

My contention is that not all attempt to gather in more money, whether for yourself or for your family, are sinful.

Doug has said that all "gambling" for money is sinful, unless it is not for yourself, only your heirs.

I think this is silly, cause in gathering things for your heirs, you are still satisfying your own self.

But the main point is that my position is that not all games of chance, not all wagers or bets are sinful in and of themselves. And this is seen by the difficulty in seperating the chance and risk of loss inherent in any endeavour from that in what is traditionally thought of as "gambling."

If Doug's position that all "gambling" is wrong is to be consistent, then investment in the stock market would be wrong as well. Every type of capitalistic attempt to grow one's money would be wrong.

I don't think he means that.

SD

52,119 posted on 05/07/2003 10:53:14 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Maybe we should start a different thread for this so we don't muddy up the place any more than it is? :)

We can do it right here. Suits the whole "heresy lovefest" motif.

52,120 posted on 05/07/2003 10:54:25 AM PDT by malakhi
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