Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
Preaching to the choir does sound like that.
SD
Scriptures which bear no relation to the simple questions I have asked.
SD
Thank you.
Does that mean, automatically that they have no faith?
No.
Again, thank you. So we must admit that even those with faith can do horrible things. So much for being judgmental as to who is a "reprobate" and who is "darkness"
My complaint is that if it were me that lost control I would, like David, be asking God to grant me repentence, give me mercy, and take not thine Holy Spirit from me. I wouldn't be waking up the next day, donning a robe and passing out communion like nothing ever happened.
And you know for a fact what these priests might, and might not have done? I recall your hero David tried to hide the fact that he sent Bathsehba's husband out to get killed.
Sort of the ancient Hebrew equivalent to putting on a robe and carrying on like nothing ever happened.<> SD
You're the only one who gets to ask questions? I answered yours. Answer mine. Why do horny pediphile priests continue to minister? According to the apostle Paul they should be gone, delivered to Satan for the destruction of the flesh so that their sould will eventually be saved. Seems to me the following is your attitude.
1 Cor 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
David's not your hero?
Sort of the ancient Hebrew equivalent to putting on a robe and carrying on like nothing ever happened.<> SD
As I recall he did the things I mentioned I would do in my last post. In addition, he was on his knees for 24 hours and God allowed his baby to die anyway.
Thank you for confirming your attitude regarding scripture. Its putrid.
You and I will surely disagree over who is a valid minister for the eucharist. I would be suprised if you are saying that it happens by itself, without some person following Paul's instructions.
My point was only that a minister is necessary. Which minister is a discussion for another day.
I love your optimism. It's good to agree on here every once in a while.
So maybe we can come todgether in this way - pro-Death Penalty and Anti-Death Penalty people agree that the judicial system may not be all it needs to be because innocent people are executed. So what judicial reforms should be instituted?
Sadly (and here comes my pessimism), like our Congress, we get the gov't we deserve. If people cared about integrity we wouldn't have people lying on the stand, supresssing evidence, etc. And if we cared about people having integrity we wouldnt' put those kinds of people in power.
But that's not who we are. We need wholesale change of the heart.
SD
I never said any such thing. You don't know me very well.
Of coruse, sick perverted priests should be removed. Duh.
I was only arguing, in vain, the theological idea that the sin of the priest does not effect the sacrament. It seems you, still, want to harp on pedophiles to make yourself seem better.
Plus they're easy to judge. Go pray to God in thanks that you are not like that lowly priest.
SD
And you have no idea what a pervert priest might say in prayer after doing something terrible.
No freaking idea.
But it's fun to imagine you are so much better than them, and that they don't have any faith or remorse.
I don't know if they do or not, but I consider it possible.
SD
Kinda like priests are left in their offices.
Yes, exactly. Do you think I would think otherwise?
Bishops wanted to hide their shame.
SD
Naw you just get your jollys thinking that I feel I'm better than they are. Have fun. Scripture says we should mourn that those who have done this deed haven't been taken away from among us. I'll stick with scripture. You can have the pointy hat.
Your right, I saw the word minister differently then you meant it, sorry.
JH :-)
1 Cor 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
I give up. I have said everything the exact opposite of this. You don't want to know. Be blessed in your ignorance, it is your only hope.
SD
I wouldn't be waking up the next day, donning a robe and passing out communion like nothing ever happened.
Brother, this is entirely judgmental and self-gratifying. Deny it if you wish, but it's there for those with eyes to see.
SD
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