The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)

Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.

Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams

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[AlguyA]

'Not that he held any animosity toward her,"

This is actually a pretty interesting point. I could argue about the "woman" passage, pointing out its meaning as a term of respect. But that wouldn't matter. So, let's concede your point. Nowhere in Scripture does it say Jesus loved His mother. Though, apparently, we can be sure He didn't "hold any anomosity toward her." Thus, a Bible-only Protestant can't really even answer the question of whether or not Jesus loved His mother any more and no differently than He, say, loves you or me.

Would you agree with this?

[Quester]

So do you believe Jesus already knew the future, and how many of the RC's would put her on the same level as Him, and some would prefer praying to her over Him, and the pope would be petitioned to officially promote her to co-redeemer?

Essentially ... yes, because he knew the extent of our fallen human nature.

Could that explain why there doesn't seem to be even one affectionate sounding communique between Jesus and his mother?

Not that he held any animosity toward her, because she certainly didn't ask for the position she was put in, but it seems Jesus went out of his way not to encourage it, and that there would be nothing that could be pointed to later, saying He promoted it?

I would tend to think that ... yes, JESUS wouldn't want to do anything to encourage this.

Of course, I note that these particular interchanges were not exactly private.

[AlguyA]

"I would tend to think that ... yes, JESUS wouldn't want to do anything to encourage this."

Scripture?

[OLD REGGIE]

Maybe you misunderstood me. I am asking who, besides the very person chosen to be the Mother of God Incarnate, would ahve a closer relationship with Him?

Do you have any suggestions?

Sure. Ask Jesus.

John 17:
[11] And now I am no more in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name, which thou hast given me, that they may be one, even as we are one.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

[22] The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one,
[23] I in them and thou in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that thou hast sent me and hast loved them even as thou hast loved me.

Gee, I don't see a number 1. I see an all. What do you see?

[OLD REGGIE]

None of that means that I can not disagree with another's interpretation. Just as you scoff at my synthesis, I scoff at his hyperliteral interpretation.

Except John 6. That is, until we get to John 6:63.

You are a phony!

[ventana]

I have a cretinous heresy of my own to share.

I have been drawn, somehow, into thinking perhaps that the unidentified other disciple in John. Whom Jesus loved, who leaned against his breast at the Last Seder, who ran faster than Peter to get to the empty tomb, of whom Jesus said " If I will that he tarry till I come, what [is that] to thee?" was You. Or me. Or any disciple of the word. The nameless disciple is an invitation to step into the Gospel, to be there.

If you could be anyone, wouldn't you want to be him?

And it is interesting to me that the very last earthly accomplishment of Jesus was to say to that very disciple "Behold thy mother!"

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