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The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)
Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.


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To: malakhi
Maybe you could pray to the beloved disciple to intercede with you to Mary, to intercede with you to Jesus, to mediate between you and God.

Or, you could pray to the Father directly.

Fallen into the "either/or" camp, my man?

What about the idea of God providing for our needs in superabundance?

SD

49,021 posted on 04/28/2003 10:27:57 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
You mean, it matters what "is" is? ;-)

Or what "am" am? ;o)

"I AM THE DOOR".

49,022 posted on 04/28/2003 10:28:08 AM PDT by malakhi (fundamentalist unitarian)
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To: malakhi
You're sounding downright Christian lately. :)

BigMack
49,023 posted on 04/28/2003 10:28:11 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: biblewonk; Havoc; JHavard; drstevej; Invincibly Ignorant; CindyDawg; ...
"In other words He is not of Mary. She is not His mother genetically. He did not come from one of her eggs. Sure he came through her but he is not of her."

This was posted by biblewonk. I'm curious. Do all you other Protestants agree with this? Is this a standard Protestant belief?

49,024 posted on 04/28/2003 10:30:51 AM PDT by AlguyA
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To: AlguyA; biblewonk
This was posted by biblewonk. I'm curious. Do all you other Protestants agree with this? Is this a standard Protestant belief?

As I mentioned a couple weeks ago this is something I've heard for the very first time. Therefore I would have to, for myself and not protestants, say that it isn't a standard belief. I haven't given it the proper once over to yea or neigh it yet.

49,025 posted on 04/28/2003 10:33:51 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: ventana; Havoc
Wow. I never said I was a Lutheran. I am amazed at your powers of, what do you call it? Discernment?

I think Havoc was being sarcastic (you had just asked if he was a Mormon, remember?)

49,026 posted on 04/28/2003 10:34:30 AM PDT by malakhi (fundamentalist unitarian)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Yeah, go figure someone jumping uninvited into a conversation here on the NES. Well anyway, I have answered your question on why we do not need to celebrate Passover. That was for the Old Covenant. We were given a New Covenant.

And it is not celebrated on the Solstice.

v.

49,027 posted on 04/28/2003 10:34:56 AM PDT by ventana
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To: SoothingDave
If you did you might become Orthodox or Anglican.

Why. The Orthodox grew out of the mess with Constantine. The Latin rite schismed off of them. Given the error inherent in both, following Paul's instruction would lead one to follow neither, much less the Anglicans who act pretty much the same. Paul, contrary to your notions about popular sects, did not preach that one should follow a name - he preached that one should follow the message of Christ. Paul chastised people for saying 'I am of Paul' or 'I am of James' and the like - because the name meant nothing. The name didn't save them. The message is what got them. Leave it to you to turn the tables and say the name is the important thing. Prove the message. I know you can't; but, that is the guiding factor.

'Where shall we go. You have the words of life.' Sound familiar? I'll tell you like I told someone else on here the other night and got Reggie's nose bent out of shape. It ain't about the name over the door - it's about the message from the pulpit. If the message is false, then the name over the door will be the spiritual epitaph.

49,028 posted on 04/28/2003 10:35:21 AM PDT by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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To: AlguyA
This was posted by biblewonk. I'm curious. Do all you other Protestants agree with this? Is this a standard Protestant belief?

This question has been open at least a week.

The reigning answer seems to be "it doesn't matter."

Of course, I will be called a liar now for saying this.

SD

49,029 posted on 04/28/2003 10:35:39 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: malakhi
No, read back. I don't think so.
49,030 posted on 04/28/2003 10:35:51 AM PDT by ventana
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To: AlguyA
A.) Was Jesus God when He was born?

2.) Did Mary give birth to Jesus?

III.) What do we call someone who gives birth?

Quatro.) Therefore is she not rightly called Goddess?

49,031 posted on 04/28/2003 10:37:07 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrissssstian)
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To: Havoc
I know this is confusing to ya, but someone who actually believed in an authoritative Church, where all of the bishops shared this authority equally, would be duty-bound to find a Church that exercised such a thing.

But, like I said, those who don't actually believe in any authority shouldn't pretend they do.

SD

49,032 posted on 04/28/2003 10:38:15 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
Heck, there isn't an NC here who has expressed the importance of Jesus being related to Adam's people. They are agnostic about it, except when they need to deride us for having beliefs on it.

You're mistaken, Dave.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/656646/posts?page=46790#46790

49,033 posted on 04/28/2003 10:38:45 AM PDT by Quester
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To: biblewonk
Therefore is she not rightly called Goddess?

Only by you, wonk. Only by you. The rest of us can keep our humans seperate from our divines.

SD

49,034 posted on 04/28/2003 10:39:00 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
As I mentioned a couple weeks ago this is something I've heard for the very first time. Therefore I would have to, for myself and not protestants, say that it isn't a standard belief. I haven't given it the proper once over to yea or neigh it yet.

My interest in this topic caused me to notice it after a few years of daily bible reading. I'm sure the secrets in the Word have not all been discovered yet and are probably as infinite as the Universe.

49,035 posted on 04/28/2003 10:40:30 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrissssstian)
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To: Quester
You're mistaken, Dave.

My apologies, I had forgotten.

You will agree, I hope, that the rest had generally either never considered it, or declared it irrelevant (or unknowable).

SD

49,036 posted on 04/28/2003 10:40:34 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: ventana
Weren't the Jews commanded to celebrate the Passover Seder until the Messiah came?

Uh, no.

And you shall observe the feast of unleavened bread, for on this very day I brought your hosts out of the land of Egypt: therefore you shall observe this day, throughout your generations, as an ordinance for ever. (Exodus 12:17)

49,037 posted on 04/28/2003 10:45:41 AM PDT by malakhi (fundamentalist unitarian)
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To: ventana
Yeah, go figure someone jumping uninvited into a conversation here on the NES.

I wouldn't mind that. It's just wierd that someone jumps in on every syllable but he's welcome to continue. And I'm welcome to point out how wierd it is.

Well anyway, I have answered your question on why we do not need to celebrate Passover. That was for the Old Covenant.

How convenient. Someone forgot to tell the apostle Paul and other Sabbath keeping believers who were criminalized at one of your counsels.

We were given a New Covenant.

Guess you'd better rip out the OT from your Catholic Bible.

And it is not celebrated on the Solstice.

Sorry, I meant the first Sunday of the spring equinox. The same day children of the Canaanite parents would often go and hunt for eggs, which were symbolic of sex, fertility and new life. My mistake.

49,038 posted on 04/28/2003 10:47:05 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: biblewonk
My interest in this topic caused me to notice it after a few years of daily bible reading. I'm sure the secrets in the Word have not all been discovered yet and are probably as infinite as the Universe.

Are there any essays on this subject I could take a peek at?

49,039 posted on 04/28/2003 10:48:17 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: SoothingDave
You will agree, I hope, that the rest had generally either never considered it, or declared it irrelevant (or unknowable).

I believe most of NC Christianity takes the position that JESUS was of Mary. As II says, most of us have not even considered an alternative belief. Which is not to say that we won't check it out (from the Scriptures).

49,040 posted on 04/28/2003 10:48:24 AM PDT by Quester
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