The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)

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[Invincibly Ignorant]

Is Mary truly Jesus' mother, or was she entirely a surrogate? That is, is Jesus related to her? Did He take His human nature from His mother?

First I heard of this. Doesn't sound right to me.

[OLD REGGIE]

(Reg) Has the Pope ever thanked God for doing so?

What do you think? The question is insulting on its face. As if you believe the Pope never thanks God for anything. Please.

Let me rephrase that. Has the Pope ever publicly thanked God, as he did Mary, for "guiding" the bullet?

This is a serious question. I really don't know the answer.

[Uri’el-2012]

XS>When is Easter

SD>Thanks, Chuck. Interesting.

SD

47,092 posted on 04/17/2003 7:09 AM MDT by SoothingDave

Dave:

The difference for me is that Easter is defined by man at a council and Passover is defined by G-d in His Word.

Baruch HaShem Adonai Yeshua HaMashiach

Praise the Holy Name of the L-rd Jesus the Christ

chuck <truth@YeshuaHaMashiach>

[SoothingDave]

First I heard of this. Doesn't sound right to me.

Well, the angel announced to Mary that she would "conceive." Not that God would plant a child in her, or some other wording.

SD

[DouglasKC]

But Mack said I was stumbling around and look so drugged up that he went along behind me explaining to everyone what my problem was. He was afraid since I showed up on a Harley on Sunday and stumbling around on Mon. people would get the wrong idea:)

lol...I can just picture that. :-)

[biblewonk]

Got scripture? :')

Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Phil 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

There are about many definitions of perfect.

[SoothingDave]

Let me rephrase that. Has the Pope ever publicly thanked God, as he did Mary, for "guiding" the bullet?

In a statement like that, I don't know.

I would be very suspicious if the Pope did not offer a Mass of thanksgiving after he was recuperated.

SD

[OLD REGGIE]

Jesus paid honor to His mother when He instituted His first act of ministry, in providing wine for the wedding at Cana. Even though He said it was not yet His time, He honored His mother's request.

While I agree He performed His first miracle to accomodate His mother's implied request, I think it is a stretch to consider this act as the conerstone of the doctrine of "honor". It's a matter of degree I guess.

Do you care to address the "Mary was without original sin" question with Scripture?

[SoothingDave]

The difference for me is that Easter is defined by man at a council and Passover is defined by G-d in His Word.

Point understood. It's that "authority" question again. I don't know what any Protestant would follow the Church calendar, except because of "tradition"

SD

[SoothingDave]

Do you care to address the "Mary was without original sin" question with Scripture?

Hail Mary, full of grace.

SD

[biblewonk]

Is Mary truly Jesus' mother, or was she entirely a surrogate?

That is, is Jesus related to her? Did He take His human nature from His mother?

Heb 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisdec.

Heb 7: 1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Mat: 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Point understood. It's that "authority" question again. I don't know what any Protestant would follow the Church calendar, except because of "tradition"

Its 15 Nissan 5763 today. :-)

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Hail Mary, full of grace.

That only proves Mary needed grace.

[al_c]

Some of us believe, however, that parts of human tradition are false.

I don't see Sacred Tradition being equal to human tradition.

[SoothingDave]

Heb 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisdec.

Yes. Do you have a point? Those made monks after the order of Benedict may all wear the same robes, but they don't share a lineage.

Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Is it your contention similarly that Jesus has no father?

Mat: 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

To counter biblewonk's peculiar exegesis, Jesus should have added "Except for me, of course. I'm the greatest man who ever lived."

SD

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I don't see Sacred Tradition being equal to human tradition.

Some see you sacred tradition as being human tradition.

[SoothingDave]

That only proves Mary needed grace.

Yes, it does. It also shows that she had already received her full complement of it. This occured at her conception.

Saying Mary was born without original sin does not mean she did not need grace or a savior.

SD

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Yes, it does. It also shows that she had already received her full complement of it. This occured at her conception.

Saying Mary was born without original sin does not mean she did not need grace or a savior.

Silly me. I always thought grace meant something like "unmerited favor"..

[al_c]

Go here, Steven.

[SoothingDave]

Silly me. I always thought grace meant something like "unmerited favor"..

And what could be more unmerited a favor than being saved from sin before you were even born?

SD