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To: Dr. Brian Kopp, Revelation 911, RnMomof7
And yes, I do believe to the bottom of my heart that the foundations of protestantism is the very roots of modern western decadence and decay.

And did we also cause the longstanding and current scandals in your church too?

645 posted on 04/03/2002 5:58:51 PM PST by la$tminutepardon
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To: la$tminutepardon
THIS IS THE BIG PICTURE FOLKS! LISTEN UP!

Yes and no.

First, I apologize for what will seem to you to be scandalous, but you asked.

Of course, All Sin's origin is the Original Sin and man's fall.

The origin of the acceptance of gay culture, in and out of the Church, was the sexual revolution, and the failure of some in the Church, and many out of it, to fight it. For the failure of our own shepherds to fight this, protestantism cannot be responsible, clearly!

However, the sexual revolution was built upon the ready availability and cultural acceptance of contraception.

Until 1930, ALL OF JUDEO_CHRISTIANITY taught contraception was inherently sinful, and that no circumstances could make it not sinful.

In 1930, the Anglicans caved in and changed what was a continuous moral theology teaching of Christianty, among ALL protestants, Catholics, orthodox, etc.

Within 20 years, 99% of protestantism had apostacized on this issue, and with this came the overturning of federal and state laws, written in the 1800's by protestant lawmakers, outlawing the sale of contraceptives.

Unfortunately, Christian moral theology teaches that ANY SEX deliberately made non-reproductive, through no fault of those involved, outside the context of marriage, is evil.

This includes bestiality, homosexuality, adultery, fornication, masturbation, and contraception. All were punished in the OT by death, at one point or another, and all share 1)either being non-procreative, 2)outside covenantal marriage, or 3)both.

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So when protestantism caved on contraception, they lost in the eyes of God and hearts of men ANY moral authority to condemn any other form of non-procreative sex, most obviously now homosexuality.

And why did protestantism cave on contraception???

Continued...

648 posted on 04/03/2002 6:19:20 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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Basic Bible Only Christian Assumption: "With the Reformation, God Reformed his church back to what it was by restoring the Truth "

This was neither reformation nor restoration but deformation and revolt. 

Fifteen hundred years after Christ, someone came along who was overly scrupulous and could not bear the burden of his guilty conscience. This man was a priest, but could not control his sexual passions. He used some abuses in Christ's Church in a remote corner of Christendom as an excuse upon which to hang his revolt. 

So he invented a new false gospel to assuage his guilt and foisted it on the world. Bible books that did not fit his new false gospel were simply removed on his own "authority." 

Intrinsic to this new false gospel was a rejection of the authority Jesus Christ Himself gave His Church on earth. That authority willed by God, was replaced with a new "authority," private interpretation of scripture. 

However, the genie was now out of the bottle. 

First man rejected the authority of God to give authority to the very Church He created. 

Then man questioned the authority of scripture itself, and whether God was truly Creator. 

Then man questioned not only the authority of God but His very existence. 

Now man declares, GOD ID DEAD. 

And if GOD IS DEAD, the final, natural conclusion of rejection of God's authority started 500 years ago, then man can do anything he damn well pleases to anyone. Might makes right. There is no such thing as "wrong." There is no authority upon which to hang any code of morality. 

The twentieth century

In 1930 mainstream "Bible only" protestantism fell into apostasy regarding contraception. Christianity always taught contraception was intrinsically evil. (This was ALL Christians, for ALL time, not just Catholics. The point isn't even open for debate. I can quote hundreds of protestant reformers and subsequent protestant theologians and writers, up to this very day, to prove this was the continual teaching of Christianity.) 

This apostasy on contraception is the very root cause of abortion. Abortion follows the acceptance of contraceptive mentality as night follows day. In Planned Parenthood v. Casey, the US Supreme Court decision that confirmed Roe v. Wade [U.S. decision to permit abortions] stated "in some critical respects, abortion is of the same character as the decision to use contraception... for two decades of economic and social developments, people have organized intimate relationships and made choices that define their views of themselves and their places in society, in reliance on the availability of abortion in the event that contraception should fail." As Professor Janet Smith points out, "The Supreme Court decision has made completely unnecessary, any efforts to "expose" what is really behind the attachment of the modern age to abortion. As the Supreme Court candidly states, we need abortion so that we can continue our contraceptive lifestyles."

Furthermore, because mainstream protestantism and "Bible Christianity" in general condones non-procreative contraceptive sex, they have no moral authority upon which to preach against non-procreative homosexual sex. Thus the homosexual agenda juggernaut is directly a result of the apostasy of "Bible Christianity" on the birth control issue, as well as the reluctance of the Catholic hierarchy and priesthood to promote Humanae Vitae and the Church's true teachings on sexuality in general. 

And if you can kill the innocent baby in the womb, why not granny in the nursing home? Euthanasia too is becoming widespread, as a result of the acceptance of abortion, which came from apostasy on the birth control issue. 

The widespread acceptance in American culture of the culture of death --abortion, contraception, homosexuality, euthanasia-- lies squarely on the backs of those who apostatized on the life issues several decades ago. They apostatized because of private interpretation of scripture.

All because a man 500 years ago placed his own new false gospel of the "Bible alone" and "private interpretation of scripture" above the authority Christ Himself established as the protection against the destruction of the Gospel message Christ entrusted to His Church. 

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Atheism, the contraceptive mentality, acceptance of abortion, homosexuality, euthanasia, the Culture of Death...pity...these are the fruits of the so-called "restoration" that was the protestant "reformation."

Yes, of course, the roots of all evil are in Original Sin. 

But Christianity was making inroads against these evils till this revolt's natural consequences, over several ensuing centuries, reversed the trend. 

Sorry if this offends my protestant brethren. But I will not be shamed into silence. I'm sick of the ignorance and blindness to the brutal reality of the consequences of this so-called reformation within modern protestantism, and the growing anti-Catholic attitude I'm seeing all too often lately. 

The answer does not lie in a further protestantization of Catholicism. We either go back to the ways of God and the order Jesus Himself ordained, a teaching Church with a magisterium and Pope, lead and protected by the Holy Spirit, or we go forward into oblivion and the culture of death.

650 posted on 04/03/2002 6:20:09 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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