[Frumious Bandersnatch]

It took me a long time to realize it also.  It's such a simple concept, but has far-reaching consequences.  At first, I was in denial, but the more I looked at it, the more I realized that there is no experimental way that we can prove the falsity of ID and the truth of random chance in evolutionary theory.  It just won't fadge since everything is done by ID.  Frustrating for random chance theorists (BTW, just how random is random chance?), but true nonetheless.

[Gumlegs]

the more I looked at it, the more I realized that there is no experimental way that we can prove the falsity of ID and the truth of random chance in evolutionary theory. It just won't fadge since everything is done by ID.

Fadges? We don't need no stinking fadges!

If you truly believe your statement above "there is no experimental way that we can prove the falsity of ID ... ," then you have to admit that ID is not a scientific theory. Every scientific theory must be capable of falsification ... or it isn't a scientific theory. There is no middle ground here. (Random chance is a factor, not the factor, by the way).

[gore3000]

(BTW, just how random is random chance?),

Which makes me think of another question - in a total materialistic universe is randomness possible? After all, if everything is following necessary natural laws, how could randomness arise? For example, in computers, a totally materialistic artifact, it is very hard to get random numbers.