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To: mlo;gore3000
Has anyone ever shown that anything is actually 'irreducibly complex'? What could such a proof possibly look like?

Until we have a body of knowledge in this area, and a way of applying it to problems of natural history, the ID speculations have no place in the elementary science curriculum because they're without content.

71 posted on 03/25/2002 4:26:18 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Virginia-American
Has anyone ever shown that anything is actually 'irreducibly complex'? What could such a proof possibly look like?

We use ID theory in every day life. Say I come across a book on the sidewalk. Should I conclude that the book was written by an intelligent agency (a human being) or that it spontaneously assembled itself by some as yet unknown natural process? Which theory regarding the book's origins is a better "scientific theory"?

Similarly, we see examples of irreducible complexity in the natural world. One well known example is the bacterial flagella.

From Is Intelligent Design Testable? by William Dembski

FALSIFIABILITY: Is intelligent design falsifiable? Is Darwinism falsifiable? Yes to the first question, no to the second. Intelligent design is eminently falsifiable. Specified complexity in general and irreducible complexity in biology are within the theory of intelligent design the key markers of intelligent agency. If it could be shown that biological systems like the bacterial flagellum that are wonderfully complex, elegant, and integrated could have been formed by a gradual Darwinian process (which by definition is non-telic), then intelligent design would be falsified on the general grounds that one doesn't invoke intelligent causes when purely natural causes will do. In that case Occam's razor finishes off intelligent design quite nicely.

99 posted on 03/26/2002 4:58:54 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Virginia-American
Has anyone ever shown that anything is actually 'irreducibly complex'?

Yes, that is what ID shows - systems that are irreducibly complex. Now to disprove that claim evolutionists have to show that they could have been created by gradual step by step changes, which they cannot. That is why evolutionists hate intelligent design. It proves evolution to be bunk.

133 posted on 03/27/2002 4:52:48 AM PST by gore3000
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