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To: Junior
From the article on post#469:

Consequently, theories of evolution which, in accordance with the philosophies inspiring them, consider the spirit as emerging from the forces of living matter or as a mere epiphenomenon of this matter, are incompatible with the truth about man. Nor are they able to ground the dignity of the person.

Evolution is just such a theory. In addition let's look at the name of the Encyclical: TRUTH CANNOT CONTRADICT TRUTH. I am sure the Pope did not mean to say that the Bible is untrue so since evolution contradicts the Bible guess who he is saying is untrue?

705 posted on 04/01/2002 4:35:43 AM PST by gore3000
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To: gore3000
From the article on post#469:

Post 469 was a reply by Gargantua to Dimensio and had nothing to do with the Pope or his statements on evolution.  However, utilizing the amazing information in The Ultimate Creation vs. Evolution Resource, I tracked down Magisterium Is Concerned with Question of Evolution For It Involves Conception of Man and discovered, once again, that you don't ever read anything all the way through:

Today, almost half a century after the publication of the Encyclical, new knowledge has led to the recognition of more than one hypothesis in the theory of evolution. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favour of this theory. [Emphasis mine]

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The sciences of observation describe and measure the multiple manifestations of life with increasing precision and correlate them with the time line. The moment of transition into the spiritual cannot be the object of this kind of observation, which nevertheless can discover at the experimental level a series of very valuable signs indicating what is specific to the human being. But the experience of metaphysical knowledge, of self-awareness and self-reflection, of moral conscience, freedom, or again, of aesthetic and religious experience, falls within the competence of philosophical analysis and reflection while theology brings out its ultimate meaning according to the Creator's plans. [Emphasis mine]

Please note, the Pope specifically lays out what is within the realm of science and what is within the realm of religion.

713 posted on 04/01/2002 5:40:14 AM PST by Junior
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To: gore3000
From your post:

Consequently, theories of evolution which, in accordance with the philosophies inspiring them, consider the spirit as emerging from the forces of living matter or as a mere epiphenomenon of this matter, are incompatible with the truth about man. Nor are they able to ground the dignity of the person.

From the actual Message to Pontifical Academy of Sciences:

Consequently, theories of evolution which, in accordance with the philosophies inspiring them, consider the mind as emerging from the forces of living matter, or as a mere epiphenomenon of this matter, are incompatible with the truth about man. Nor are they able to ground the dignity of the person.

You were wrong about the post number, you were wrong about the gist of the Message, and you were misleading in the actual quoting of the material.  You are batting a thousand today.

719 posted on 04/01/2002 5:54:24 AM PST by Junior
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