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To: js1138
I can see why you believe that chance always begins at ground zero. It is the way you think. The questions I have raised regarding the ratchet mechanism of variation and selection have been ignored and sidestepped, but not discussed.

Chance has to have a reference point and we generally refer to this as a starting point.

Ratchet mechanisms do no good outside of context.  While evolutionists can make a case for changes in organisms (IDers can do the same), they have extreme difficulty in explaining how the organism originally came about when such ratchet mechanisms would not have been in place because there was no context to work with.  Even pro-evolutionists have admitted that all experiments to date involving pre-biotic matter have made rather dubious assumptions to begin with.

All arguments that I've seen against Mike Behe's "mousetrap" thus far have done more to reinforce the ID position than militate against it (one argument showcased a spider which used a certain moth's pheromones against it.  The odds of species of two different orders developing the same pheromone independently is rather mind-boggling to say the least).

I'm not saying evolution can't happen, I'm just concerned that evolutionary religionists dismiss, out of hand, those who don't follow the written orthodoxy.
429 posted on 03/29/2002 6:09:16 AM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch
I'm not saying evolution can't happen, I'm just concerned that evolutionary religionists dismiss, out of hand, those who don't follow the written orthodoxy.

I'm hoping some theory comes along to replace evolution. Not because of an inherent dislike for evolution as can tell from what I've written here, but because that would just be plain exciting to live in a time of such scientific revolution. I was too late to live through Einstein's era, so maybe I can catch the theory that will replace evolution.

I don't give it very good odds though. I think I'll just keep following Quantum theory, better odds of revolution there.

432 posted on 03/29/2002 6:21:39 AM PST by Quila
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch
Ratchet mechanisms do no good outside of context.

Everything is always in context. It is a huge mistake to assume that all the "information" required to produce an organism is encoded like a computer program in DNA. Genes depend on the vast enterprise of life to support and interpret them. All the fossil evidence suggests that this enterprise has been growing in complexity.

434 posted on 03/29/2002 6:31:57 AM PST by js1138
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