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The evolving Darwin debate
WorldNetDaily ^ | March 24, 2002 | Julie Foster

Posted on 03/24/2002 7:03:09 PM PST by scripter

Scientists urge 'academic freedom' to teach both sides of issue

Posted: March 24, 2002 1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Julie Foster © 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

In an effort to influence high-school science curriculum standards, more than 50 Ohio scientists issued a statement this week supporting academic freedom to teach arguments for and against Darwin's theory of evolution.

Released Wednesday, the statement was signed by 52 experts from a wide range of scientific disciplines, including entomology, toxicology, nuclear chemistry, engineering biochemistry and medicine. Some are employed in business, industry and research, but most teach at state and private universities. A third of the signatories are employed by Ohio State University.

The statement reads, in its entirety:

To enhance the effectiveness of Ohio science education, as scientists we affirm:

That biological evolution is an important scientific theory that should be taught in the classroom;

That a quality science education should prepare students to distinguish the data and testable theories of science from religious or philosophical claims that are made in the name of science;

That a science curriculum should help students understand why the subject of biological evolution generates controversy;

That where alternative scientific theories exist in any area of inquiry (such as wave vs. particle theories of light, biological evolution vs. intelligent design, etc.), students should be permitted to learn the evidence for and against them;

That a science curriculum should encourage critical thinking and informed participation in public discussions about biological origins.

We oppose:

Religious or anti-religious indoctrination in a class specifically dedicated to teaching within the discipline of science;

The censorship of scientific views that may challenge current theories of origins.

Signatories released the statement as the Ohio State Board of Education works to update its curriculum standards, including those for high-school science classes, in accordance with a demand from the state legislature issued last year. Advocates of inclusion of evolution criticisms believe the Ohio scientists' statement echoes similar language in the recently passed federal education law, the "No Child Left Behind Act of 2001." Report language interpreting the act explains that on controversial issues such as biological evolution, "the curriculum should help students to understand the full range of scientific views that exist."

As part of its efforts to update the science standards, the Board of Education held a moderated panel discussion on the question, "Should intelligent design be included in Ohio's science academic content standards?" The debate was conducted during the March 11 regular board meeting and included two panelists from each side of the issue, who were given 15 minutes each to present their arguments. One of the panelists in favor of including "intelligent design" arguments (the idea that biological origin was at least initiated by an intelligent force) was Dr. Stephen Meyer, a professor at Whitworth College in Washington state and fellow at the Discovery Institute's Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture.

Meyer has written extensively on the subject, including a column for WorldNetDaily in which he criticizes the PBS series "Evolution." The series, he wrote, "rejects – even ridicules – traditional theistic religion because [religion] holds that God played an active (even discernible) role in the origin of life on earth."

Additionally, Meyer co-wrote a February 2001 Utah Law Review article defending the legality of presenting evolution criticism in schools. The article states in its conclusion that school boards or biology teachers should "take the initiative to teach, rather than suppress, the controversy as it exists in the scientific world," which is a "more open and more dialectical approach." The article also encourages school boards to defend "efforts to expand student access to evidence and information about this timely and compelling controversy."

Dr. Robert DiSilvestro, a professor at Ohio State and statement signatory, believes many pro-evolution scientists have not given Darwin's theory enough critical thought.

"As a scientist who has been following this debate closely, I think that a valid scientific challenge has been mounted to Darwinian orthodoxy on evolution. There are good scientific reasons to question many currently accepted ideas in this area," he said.

"The more this controversy rages, the more our colleagues start to investigate the scientific issues," commented DiSilvestro. "This has caused more scientists to publicly support our statement." He noted that several of the 52 scientists on the list had signed after last week's Board of Education panel discussion.

However, panelist Dr. Lawrence Krauss, chairman of Case Western Reserve University's physics department, said intelligent design is not science. ID proponents, he explained, are trying to redefine "science" and do not publish their work in peer-reviewed literature. In a January editorial published in The Plain Dealer, Krauss wrote that "the concept of 'intelligent design' is not introduced into science classes because it is not a scientific concept."

Promoters of ID bemoan "the fact that scientists confine their investigation to phenomena and ideas that can be experimentally investigated, and that science assumes that natural phenomena have natural causes," his editorial continues. "This is indeed how science operates, and if we are going to teach science, this is what we should teach." By its very nature, Krauss explains, science has limitations on what it can study, and to prove or disprove the existence of God does not fall into that sphere of study.

Krauss was disappointed in the Board of Education's decision to hold a panel discussion on the subject, saying the debate was not warranted since there is no evolution controversy in scientific circles.

"The debate, itself, was a victory for those promoting intelligent design," he said. "By pretending there's a controversy when there isn't, you're distorting reality."

But Meyer counters that a controversy does exist over the validity of Darwinian evolution, as evidenced by the growing number of scientists publicly acknowledging the theory's flaws. For example, 100 scientists, including professors from institutions such as M.I.T, Yale and Rice, issued a statement in September "questioning the creative power of natural selection," wrote Meyer in his WND column. But such criticism is rarely, if ever, reported by mainstream media outlets and establishment scientific publications, he maintains.

At the Board of Education's panel discussion, he proposed a compromise to mandating ID inclusion in science curriculum: Teach the controversy about Darwinism, including evidence for and against the theory of evolution. Also, he asked the board to make it clear that teachers are permitted to discuss other theories of biological origin, which Meyer believes is already legally established.

But such an agreement would only serve to compromise scientific research, according to Krauss. "It's not that it's inappropriate to discuss these ideas, just not in a science class," he concluded.


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To: Frumious Bandersnatch
But this cannot be proven to be true, it can only be proven to be not false.

~(~A) = A

Understand?

901 posted on 04/03/2002 7:19:45 AM PST by longshadow
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To: VadeRetro
The thing that gets me is that the worst of these guys run around the forum swearing that nobody ever answers them on their cogent and penetrating criticisms. If ever once nobody shows up to prove it false, it's suddenly true.

Morton's Demon.

902 posted on 04/03/2002 7:22:01 AM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow
Dementus maximus extremus absurdus.
903 posted on 04/03/2002 7:23:08 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: longshadow
1.0 != 1
904 posted on 04/03/2002 7:28:58 AM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: gore3000
An animal can only descend from one species not from multiple species. . .

Are there too many extinct relatives now? You were claiming zero; I cited four. You do not address that four does not equal zero.

. . . even without the fossils, there should be something close to it from which it could have descended there is no such thing.

Obdurodon dickinsoni is an obvious near-relative of the platypus with a "more generalized" skull. That is, it's some more generic basal mammal on the way to being a platypus. If it doesn't show the transition of all the soft-tissue features, a thing unreasonable to expect, it's nevertheless evidence that said transition occurred in real animals. The features that you can see are in transition. That's evidence.

905 posted on 04/03/2002 7:32:30 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch
War is peace.
906 posted on 04/03/2002 7:33:34 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch
For example, pi is assumed to be an infinite non-repeating series. But this cannot be proven to be true, it can only be proven to be not false.

Could you explain what you're talking about? Pi was *proved* transcendental in the lat 1800s by Lindemann.

907 posted on 04/03/2002 7:51:22 AM PST by Virginia-American
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To: VadeRetro
Obdurodon dickinsoni

Obdurodon dicksoni. Stop me before I misspel agen!

908 posted on 04/03/2002 8:33:57 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Virginia-American
Could you explain what you're talking about? Pi was *proved* transcendental in the lat 1800s by Lindemann.

Based heavily on the work of Hermite who proved that e is transcendental.  What I was talking about is that it cannot be proven in a finite amount of time that no pattern exists in an infinite number of digits.
909 posted on 04/03/2002 8:38:17 AM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: VadeRetro
Fair is foul, and foul is fair!
Hover through the fog and filthy air.
910 posted on 04/03/2002 12:54:49 PM PST by Jeff Gordon
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To: 1/1,000,000th%
I'm understanding why biologists duck the debate with certain Creationists. There's just no common ground for discussion. There's gotta be a better way to do this.

899 posted on 4/3/02 6:05 AM Hawaii-Aleutian by <1/1,000,000th%

...morphism/evolution and Truth/reality don't mix---opposites!

Any surprise--wonder?

911 posted on 04/03/2002 1:24:28 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: Jeff Gordon
Double, bubble, toilet trouble,
Pull the handle. Watch it bubble.

A Billy Skakespeare placemarker bump.

912 posted on 04/03/2002 1:27:14 PM PST by Junior
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch
For example, pi is assumed to be an infinite non-repeating series. But this cannot be proven to be true, it can only be proven to be not false.

Pi CANNOT be expressed with a REPEATING decimal expansion.

If it could, it would be trivial to prove that Pi is Rational, and hence can't be Transcendental. But a proof exists that Pi IS Transcendental, which means your assertion that it might be expressable as a number with a repeating decimal expansion MUST be false.

Note that a repeating decimal expansion is a "pattern", but not all "patterns" in infinite decimal expansions are "repeating."

913 posted on 04/03/2002 1:31:08 PM PST by longshadow
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To: f.Christian
...morphism/evolution and Truth/reality don't mix---opposites!

Any surprise--wonder?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I just hate to see Christians turned away from observation of Creation (I'll call it "science" if I can get away with it) because the methods are shared by atheists.

914 posted on 04/03/2002 1:47:32 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: 1/1,000,000th%
morphism/evolution and Truth/reality-SCIENCE don't mix---opposites!

Do you know what makes--validates theories--doubts---the realm of reality vs fantasy-delusians(evolution)?

What can you build on morphism---only mush--evolution--morphism!

Is their a reasonable--rational fantasy--morph?

915 posted on 04/03/2002 1:54:33 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: 1/1,000,000th%; all
Is there a reasonable--rational fantasy--morph?

Evolution is 'special'--maneuverable on wheels science for the mentally deranged--handicapped!

Plastic science---morphed for the crippled---a ramp-lift-van!

917 posted on 04/03/2002 2:02:46 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: f.Christian
I would begin with God and work into the observations. Like you say, starting from some fantastic "objective" reality where God requires "proof", is where the problems start.
918 posted on 04/03/2002 2:02:56 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: 1/1,000,000th%
Evolution is 'special'--maneuverable on wheels science FICTION for the mentally deranged--handicapped(spiritual dead)!

Reality will explain itself---if one will let Him...ask!

919 posted on 04/03/2002 2:10:39 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: f.Christian
Always good advice. Thanks.
920 posted on 04/03/2002 2:57:17 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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