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The evolving Darwin debate
WorldNetDaily ^ | March 24, 2002 | Julie Foster

Posted on 03/24/2002 7:03:09 PM PST by scripter

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To: VadeRetro
The Miller experiment was totally disproven, it in no way simulated the situation on earth - and that is why the atheists took it into space. If there had indeed been an asteroid that had all those amino acids - as you say one was found in 1969 - there would have been no need for this experiment, so that asteroid stuff was garbage or a total lie - just like three or four years ago they said they had proof of life from a Martian asteroid. Big headline disproven a year later - very, very quietly.
621 posted on 03/31/2002 6:40:19 AM PST by gore3000
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To: Junior; gore3000
Not only are you [gore3000] an expert on who can and cannot be a Christian, but you are also the foremost authority on science.

Yes, clearly gore3000 -- who assured us in the message you responded to that Darwin was "a charlatan [who] did not know beans about biology" -- surpasses even the world's oldest and most prestigious professional scientific society in his authority. Sadly gore3000's guidance was not available when The Royal Society of London awarded Darwin its Royal Medal for Natural Science in 1853 (well before his evolutionary views were known) in recognition of his comprehensive series of monographs on the systematics, anatomy and physiology Cirripedia (Barnacles). I.e.:

DARWIN, Ch. (1851): A monograph of the fossil Lepadidae: or, pedunculated cirripeds of Great Britain.

DARWIN, Ch. (1851): A monograph of the sub-class Cirripedia, with figures of all the species. The Lepadidae: or pedunculated cirripeds.

DARWIN, Ch. (1854): A monograph of the fossil Balanidae and Verrucidae of Great Britain.

DARWIN, Ch. (1854): A monograph of the sub-class Cirripedia, with figures of all the species. The Balanidae (or sessile cirripedes), the Verrucidae etc.

On the other hand Darwin continues to be frequently cited by modern cirripedists, and his monographs are still found in biological libraries due to this continuing currency, so I suppose it is not to late for gore3000 to inform these scientists and librarians of their error!

622 posted on 03/31/2002 6:57:09 AM PST by Stultis
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To: gore3000
The Miller experiment was totally disproven, it in no way simulated the situation on earth - and that is why the atheists took it into space. If there had indeed been an asteroid that had all those amino acids - as you say one was found in 1969 - there would have been no need for this experiment, so that asteroid stuff was garbage or a total lie - just like three or four years ago they said they had proof of life from a Martian asteroid.

How dumb can you get? Even allowing that this is you . . .

Your chronology is all messed up. The Miller experiment of the early 50s retains its importance. A meteorite strike in 1969 isn't going to call off an experiment that had been completed 15 years before in any event.

The point of both lines of evidence, terrestrial and extra-terrestrial amino acid synthesis, is that the imagined shortage of organics on the early earth is just that--imagined.

623 posted on 03/31/2002 7:00:20 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: AndrewC
I don't believe Gore3000 was the first person to say that junk DNA isn't junk. The idea goes back quite a period. Over 95 percent of DNA has largely unknown function.

g3 still claims he can prove that there is NO junk DNA. He can explain every single base pair. I'm just asking him to post it. No one else has this information. A couple dozen articles doesn't cover a single human chromosome. Where's the beef?

624 posted on 03/31/2002 9:31:33 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Junior
I actually do agree that it gets old seeing the same old things in every thread...lol.
625 posted on 03/31/2002 11:24:45 AM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: gore3000
The under-the-ice exploration of Callisto (and perhaps other moons of Jupiter or Saturn) should be very interseting in this regard.

Like all charlatans, the evolutionists always claim that the proof will be found. They have been saying that for 150 years, and they still have not found it.

I said nothing of the sort. I do think that our best chance of observing pre-biotic soup is under the ice of those moons.

If you want to engage in conversation, you need to listen and respond to whbat other people said.

BTW, why do you figure that all the great apes share the same genetic defect? Or whay embryonic whales have legs? You know what a guilty conscience is, don't you? It's when you try to lie to yourself.

626 posted on 03/31/2002 11:45:23 AM PST by Virginia-American
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To: gore3000
Your answer:"When hell freezes over."

Nope. You are wrong once again - as usual. You can not even understand simple English, let alone the wonderful simplicities of evolutionary science.

I said "From you point of view? When hell freezes over."

From your point of view there are no facts that move you from the wrong headed notion that the bible is an authoritative source for science.

627 posted on 03/31/2002 11:48:20 AM PST by Jeff Gordon
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To: gore3000
The evolutionists first tried to show that abiogenesis could have happened here on earth. That was disproven so like good liars,

Simply breathtaking!

628 posted on 03/31/2002 11:52:40 AM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Stultis
Not only are you [gore3000] an expert on who can and cannot be a Christian, but you are also the foremost authority on science.

I wander if g3k is any kin to the former VP, or if f.Christian is a any kin to the mutineer? Strange names for Frepers!

629 posted on 03/31/2002 12:05:34 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: PatrickHenry
Placemarker.
630 posted on 03/31/2002 12:20:05 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
Placehider.

(The non-conformist in me made me do it.)

631 posted on 03/31/2002 2:23:54 PM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow
placemarker/placehider ... ph ... you?
placeholder/placebo ... fake place/fake pill ... spinach
placenta/platypus ... afterbirth/after ... something else
left brain/brong rain ... no shoes
Stella!
632 posted on 03/31/2002 2:50:36 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: Gumlegs
You coulda been a contender.
633 posted on 03/31/2002 3:05:34 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
I know. But I stuffed cotton in my cheeks and then swelled up to twice the size of the Goodyear Blimp.

Bummer.

634 posted on 03/31/2002 3:12:48 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: Virginia-American
I wander if g3k is any kin to the former VP

Actually I took that handle as joke on Al around the election. Conservatives always understand the joke, liberals do not.

635 posted on 03/31/2002 3:24:07 PM PST by gore3000
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To: Gumlegs
You coulda been a contendah. You coulda had class. You coulda been somebody. It was Chahlie didn' look out for his bruddah.

An' dey didn't show respect. So you made 'em an offer dey couldn' refuse.

An' now dey sleep wit' da fishes.

636 posted on 03/31/2002 3:25:02 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Dimensio
Evolution and abiogenesis are two seperate matters.

Not really. I don't think I have ever seen a single non-evolutionist ever support abiogenesis on these threads, not one. Only evolutionists believe that abiogenesis is possible. Abiogenesis is the attempt to take the "God did not do it" atheistic/materialistic philosophy of Darwinism back even further. Most evolutionists have no problem with that at all. Most of them love the idea. The only reason some go around talking as you is that they know that by connecting the two they will just end up making evolution laughable instead of strengthening their atheistic position.

In addition, abiogenesis is almost a necessary proof of the theory of evolution. After all, if one admits that God exists, there is no necessity to evolution. The answer to a question can then completely legitimately be "God did it". And indeed that is the case because after all what are miracles except God's involvement in what goes on in the world? So yes, if evolutionists cannot prove abiogenesis, their theory is very weak indeed.

637 posted on 03/31/2002 3:52:55 PM PST by gore3000
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To: Gumlegs
The Pope said no such thing. He said that scientific theories which deny the Word of God and attack the spirit of man are contrary to the faith and therefore untrue. He was describing evolution perfectly. It is not for nothing that those words came at the end of the end of his statement.
638 posted on 03/31/2002 3:59:38 PM PST by gore3000
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To: VadeRetro
I spent my life trying not to be careless -- women and children can be careless, but not men.
-- VITO CORLEONE
639 posted on 03/31/2002 4:00:47 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: gore3000
I figured it was a joke, it's just that your knowledge of science (and your manners) reminds me of him.
640 posted on 03/31/2002 4:02:49 PM PST by Virginia-American
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