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I would be a Christian if perhaps the Christians I knew (and I mean all of them, every last one of them) weren't gossipy and actually followed the teachings of Christ and weren't constantly condemning everybody around them while basking in sin themselves. I think there could be another religion more suited for me. After all, each religion believes they are right with conviction matched only by the religion next to them. Who's to say who is and isn't right?

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

In your other post you mentioned other religions writings. It is your right to read and examine them and you should do that, then make up your own mind. I present what I believe and what you say you once did. This is to point out why I write what I write. I did not base my statement to you on the Koran.

As to your observation of the failures of human morality this is known, that is the reason Jesus the Christ was sent. It is unfortunate that those Christians around you are not all perfect, you will have difficulty finding a perfect human anywhere. But you will find many attempting to attain that state, Mother Teresa, Missionaries in Liberia and elsewhere, Christians in Pakistan, China, Indonesia, Somalia, etc. etc. etc.

Did you read this crock...

On the other side, we have a few brave souls trying to explain that reality DOES exist, it IS knowable, that evolution DOES have a huge foundation of easily verifyable evidence, that it DOES hang together rationally, and that although it seems to contradict scripture -- the principle objection, I fear -- it won't be the first time this has happened (thus the many references to Galileo and the solar system and the shape of the earth).

So where do we go from here? It's like Galileo offering the churchmen the opportunity to look through his telescope to see for themselves the moons of Jupiter, while they would refuse because they could not deal with the consequences.

This thread, like all of its kind that have gone before, is going nowhere because we have two clearly self-defined camps: those who understand and practice reason, and those who sling the vocabulary around when it suits them, but who either don't understand reason or who do understand it but repudiate it in favor of mysticism. And neither camp will change, so here we are.

173 Posted on 11/28/1999 04:45:37 PST by PatrickHenry

2204 posted on 3/27/02 5:08 AM Hawaii-Aleutian by PatrickHenry

OK---over here...

These are the lies you are being spoon fed(baby)!