Common Creationist Arguments - Pseudoscience

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Creationism/Arguments/Pseudoscience.shtml ^

[JediGirl]

I'm still trying to figure out how Noah got so many animals in one boat. With no evolution, I guess every species we have now was alive then. How many would that be, anyway. Millions, I'm sure. From maggots and cockroaches and dust mites to Cows, Hippos and Elephants.

Don't forget the termites

[jennyp]

Is this better? (v1.1 beta 1)

Thread	"God hates IDIOTS, too!" 3 1/2 pages, 11 kb	"Some useful references" 2 1/2 pages, 8 kb
Not-So-Intelligent Design	201 posted on 3/5/02 6:08 AM Pacific by medved	202 posted on 3/5/02 6:11 AM Pacific by medved
A Tiny Mathematical Proof Against Evolution [AKA - Million Monkeys Can't Type Shakespeare]	221 posted on 3/5/02 10:08 PM Pacific by medved
A Second Mathematical Proof Against Evolution [AKA - Million Monkeys Can't Type Shakespeare]		21 posted on 3/6/02 6:03 AM Pacific by medved
Design vs. evolution discussion Monday	11 posted on 3/8/02 4:13 PM Pacific by medved	12 posted on 3/8/02 4:15 PM Pacific by medved
Panel weighs science-standard bill (Evolution v. Intelligent Design)	18 posted on 3/8/02 4:21 PM Pacific by medved	19 posted on 3/8/02 4:22 PM Pacific by medved
Common Creationist Arguments	165 posted on 3/9/02 10:08 AM Pacific by medved	166 posted on 3/9/02 10:09 AM Pacific by medved
Creation vs evolution in England state school	14 posted on 3/9/02 10:19 AM Pacific by medved	15 posted on 3/9/02 10:20 AM Pacific by medved
Fundamentalists re-create Eden, with dinosaurs	100 posted on 3/10/02 7:47 AM Pacific by medved	101 posted on 3/10/02 7:48 AM Pacific by medved
How Evolution Monkeys with Duplicate Genes	128 posted on 3/12/02 7:07 PM Pacific by medved	129 posted on 3/12/02 7:08 PM Pacific by medved
Common Creationist Arguments - Pseudoscience	46 posted on 3/13/02 10:18 AM Pacific by medved	47 posted on 3/13/02 10:20 AM Pacific by medved

[jennyp]

... All the spamming I could conceivably do over the next five years, even accepting the wrong notion that what you refer to as spamming is spamming, would probably cost less than one dollar in disk space.

I'll have to remember that next time my inbox is filled up with email spam, or next time I browse an unmoderated newsgroup.

[Aracelis]

Why not have one of your alter-egos (piltdown_woman...) spam it for you? You could claim innocence.

I'd get a refund on that crystal ball if I were you. Not only am I not jennyp, I'm not RadioAstronomer either!

[medved]

You just sort of turn up at the same times and places JennyP does, kind of like Clark Kent and Superman?

[jennyp]

While we're clearing things up, contrary to what everyone who meets me in person thinks, I am not Jennifer Lopez! :-)

[Aracelis]

And I am not...I repeat...I am NOT medved! ;)

[medved]

Best possible answer to this idiotic accusation of spamming I am constantly getting these thank-yous, both email and posted for the 'God Hates Idiots' post. Again, I see this as a public service.

[jennyp]

Best possible answer to this idiotic accusation of spamming I am constantly getting these thank-yous, both email and posted for the 'God Hates Idiots' post. Again, I see this as a public service.

Uh-uh, I ain't buying it. I think you're really queenofsardonia!

[Jim Robinson]

No one likes spam.

[f.Christian]

"Were it not for the existence of sin in the world, says Calvin, human beings would believe in God to the same degree and with the same natural spontaneity displayed in our belief in the existence of other persons, or an external world, or the past. This is the natural human condition; it is because of our presently unnatural sinful condition that many of us find belief in God difficult or absurd. The fact is, Calvin thinks, one who does not believe in God is in an... epistemically defective position---rather like someone who does not believe that his wife exists, or thinks that she is a cleverly constructed robot that has no thoughts, feelings, or consciousness."

...cleverly constructed robot that has no thoughts, feelings, or consciousness---

...isn't that what evolution is---animated earth-flesh---blindness---the spiritual dirt poor--trash---alienation/orphans?

To me...what is worse than liberalism? Spiritual bankruptcy---hubris(full of self)...empty of life--truth--love!

[AndrewC]

No one likes spam.

It sells rather well after so many years

[Junior]

Kind of reminds me of Hillary Clinton's not being "responsible for every underfunded business out there" comments.

[PatrickHenry]

Not only am I not jennyp, I'm not RadioAstronomer either!

Well, I ain't exactly the Nebraska Man; but I'm strangely attracted to your screen-name.

[azhenfud]

I thought I had read you right. That seems to be the concensus among us. I don't need to know how to perform surgery to understand its importance in medicine.
Thanks for your reply,
Az

[medved]

No one likes spam.

That doesn't sound altogether like a cease and desist order...

Let me take one more shot at explaining the situation. The people doing the crybaby acts here amount to a little clique of a half dozen evolutionists who attempt to dominate these evolution/creation threads by ganging up on other posters. I mean, it is not as if they wre trying to conduct a conversation amongst themselves and I were interfering or anything like that. You get some long article as an initial post on one of these threads and then the clique sits there potshotting anybody else who tries to say anything for another 200 or so posts. All I'm really interfering with is their potshotting proclivities and even that interference is so minimal that a person with a 486-based or better computer and a 56K modem won't really notice it.

What really bothers them is that I have condensed a number of unanswerable arguments against evolutionism into a frighteningly cogent and readable little package and am putting that into the hands of the common man, who is typically not aware that the most major opposition to evolutionism comes from the realm of mathematics and mathematicians and not from Christian groups, or that virtually all competent scientists who have taken the trouble to examine the situation now believe that evolution is FUBAR. You can read large selections of such commentary at the evolusham.com site.

In other words, the thing they are calling spam is a public-service message containing complex arguments and lines of reasoning which this little clique would just as soon the common man not have access to, and real information as opposed to the essentially content-free 60% bulk of all posts on these crevo-threads.

I can understand why somebody running a conservative forum such as FR would just as soon never hear about evolution debates, nonetheless I do not see it as avoidable. Evolution poisons morality, politics, and science equally. The idea that "survival of the fittest" is the only moral law in nature is a logical consequence of and unavoidable part of evolutionism and, once somebody buys into that, there is no further basis for morality.

Aside from the nazi and communist regimes which were based on that idea, we've just witnessed eight years of an American fascist regime run by people who clearly could not possibly conduct themselves the way they did and do if they were to believe in anything other than this Darwinistic humanism which they do.

Or as Newt Gingrich put it, the question of whether a person views his fellow man as a fellow child of God or as a meat byproduct of some stochastic process simply has to affect human relations.

The people who push evolutionism the hardest are generally democrats and socialists. Basically, there are few things you could do which would cause those people more angst, confusion, and frustration than disconnecting the teaching of evolution from public funding. That would be right in there with disconnecting the democrat party from their union funding sources.

Again, as I see it, I am doing a public service, and I see thank-yous from more people than are crying and carping here on this one thread.

[Junior]

What really bothers them is that I have condensed a number of unanswerable arguments against evolutionism into a frighteningly cogent and readable little package and am putting that into the hands of the common man, who is typically not aware that the most major opposition to evolutionism comes from the realm of mathematics and mathematicians and not from Christian groups, or that virtually all competent scientists who have taken the trouble to examine the situation now believe that evolution is FUBAR. You can read large selections of such commentary at the evolusham.com site.

Actually, your individual points have all been taken to task before, but you simply soldiered on, posting the same thing over and over again. After awhile, having to refute the same tired arguments gets a little bothersome. I guess you subscribe to the "if I outlast the competition, I win" school of debate. BTW, your phraseology in the above paragraph shows a marked tendency toward paranoia.

[medved]

A Portrait of "Junior"
In His Own Words on the FreeRepublic Forum

"We've got a whole lot of these folks on this forum..."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#4

"Knowing gore3000, he'll take a look at your link and claim that evolutionists say coyotes are descended from whales. Do not underestimate the power of willful ignorance..."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#68

You didn't even read the freakin' article, you dolt, or you wouldn't have made the inane comment about whales evolving from coyotes, or vice versa. Do you ever read any of the stuff we give you, or do you glance at the pretty pictures, decide that nothing's going to change your mind and then post inanities on these threads?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#143

My theory has always been he's nothing more than a rather primitive computer algorythm.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#152

You are the only person I've met who suffered from Tourette's Syndrome of the keyboard.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#384

Face it, gore3000, your brain (or programming) has been trained to force a cognitive disassociation between the pariticulars of evidence and the sum total of evidence. You can't see the forest for the trees. You'll pick at individual pieces of evidence given you, but fail to understand the overall picture painted by the evidence coming in from dozens of scientific disciplines. And, you show an inherent inability to actually learn anything
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#632

except by creationists who cannot see the forest for the trees and refuse to accept any evidence unless in the form of a living, breathing critter (and then they'd probably claim it was ginned up by geneticists in some secret laboratory to mislead good, God-fearing Christians in an effort to damn their souls to Hell).
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#750

Gee, you get caught quote-mining red handed, and attempt to weedle out of it by bantering semantics. You haven't read any real science since that nice old guy down the street introduced you to Saturnism... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#978

Dear, dear, deluded g3k.... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#1073

What must God think of you that you are reduced to bantering semantics, twisting words, willful ignorance, and outright lies to support Biblical creation?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#1080

I never said that, you liar and twister of words. The serpent in the Garden of Eden could take tips from you.... Remember, God said, "Thou shall not bear false witness" (which means lying). Of course, you probably think lying for God makes you a saint, don't you?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#1082

Ahem, Mr. "I've got to lie for God,"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#1088

I'm wondering if my asking gore3000 how he believed God felt about his lying for Him is what caused him to clam up. Medved, you claim God hates idiots, but not one of the commandments states "Thou shalt not be stupid." However, there is a "Thou shalt not bear false witness." Now that you know that your quotes are, at best, disengenuous, shouldn't you attempt to distance yourself from them, or is it okay to lie as long as it's "for the children?" http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#1209

That is why PatrickHenry keeps publishing the list - so that y'all do not keep spouting the same, discredited drivel. http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3a68abe52d91.htm#147

I merely said that's what the Indians claim. And shortsighted politicians are more than willing to bend over and grab their ankles for these folks.
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3a68abe52d91.htm#191

Ah... the "Static Cling Theory" of life, the universe and everything. Came to you one day while cleaning out the dryer lint trap, did it?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/636491/posts?q=1&&page=101#140

I figured it had to be you. Can't keep a tinfoil hatter down.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/634527/posts?q=1&&page=51#55

Your beliefs can't be proven scientifically so they must be forced on the populace through deception and the courtroom. Nice. In a few centuries America will have come to resemble the Islamic world in its backwardness and you can sit back in that special Hell God reserves for people who lie in His name, and gloat at your handiwork.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/634066/posts?q=1&&page=151#164

Proof positive you have absolutely no clue about that which you speak. Your creationist brethren have given up this argument as factually incorrect, but you persist in your ignorance as if it were some sort of talisman keeping the real world at bay.
The Sun does not "reverse" entropy, you muggle....
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/626685/posts?q=1&&page=201#203

BTW, a mutation is simply a change in the genome. It happens all the time -- usually during the creation of the sex cells from transcription errors (there is a word for this, but I cannot remember it for the life of me). Sometimes it is caused by an external influence -- a stray particle of radiation might knock part of a gene out of kilter (the biggest source of such radiation, BTW, is the Sun), or environmental chemicals might play merry hell with one's genetic coding. It's quite common and happens all the time -- which you would know if you actually read something other than the Bible once in a while.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/626685/posts?q=1&&page=301#346

Oh, I forgot, the scientific community is conspiring to keep you silent, so just sit in your basement and brood...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/626685/posts?q=1&&page=351#356

A case could be made that you should alter your drinking...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/626685/posts?q=1&&page=351#372

You are more incoherent than usual. Have they upped the dosage on your meds?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/626685/posts?q=1&&page=551#556

Are you being dense, or what? A descendent species can coexist with its parent species. There is nothing precluding Homo Erectus, Homo Neanderthalensis and Homo Sapien from occupying the planet at the same time. The fact that you cannot see this obvious situation indicates a lack of thought on your part.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts?q=1&&page=1370#1367

gore3000: God did it. I have special dispensation to lie for God. Besides, I'll ignore all your evidence so that I can complain you never give me any.
medved: God came from Saturn.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts?q=1&&page=1408

[Junior]

Do you have the links to medved's "dinosaur" postings -- you know, the one with the guys standing in front of the "petroglyphs?" I've got a bit of a project and I need a link to that particular spam, too.

[Junior]

Argumentum ad spamus. Don't worry. I'm going back through all the threads we've sparred on and I'm going to compile "The Compleat Refutation of Medvedium Catastrophism." Praise the Lord for The Ultimate Creation vs. Evolution Resource -- it makes research so much easier.