[Celtjew Libertarian]

You have yet to present any such evidence. I'd be happy to consider it if only you would present it.

No you wouldn't. I created a scenario where evidence was presented and you dismissed it as not possible -- a fantasy. You didn't say, "Well, if that were the case." You said it was a "fantasy suppositions."

You appear to be the one lying here. You claim to know what goes on in my mind. Please present some independently verifiable evidence to support this assertion of your knowledge of what goes on in my mind.

I present this entire thread.

[LuvItOrLeaveIt]

No you wouldn't. I created a scenario where evidence was presented and you dismissed it as not possible -- a fantasy. You didn't say, "Well, if that were the case." You said it was a "fantasy suppositions."

You presented no evidence, only a hypothetical situation which has not occurred. That makes it a fantasy supposition. That is naive or intellectually bankrupt, I'm not sure which.

[LuvItOrLeaveIt]

I present this entire thread.

Then the only conclusion which can be drawn is that I do not have any faith.

[gjenkins]

"I present this entire thread."

By using the term vision, you have admitted that it is non-reproducible and that it was non-physical. If you had a non-recurring vision, present it and try to convince others of its authenticity. You will have a hard time of it ... even with christians. Trying to base your proof or argue on the mere possibility of a vision is not going to fly. Most people understand the portions of their visions which are rooted in reality and the portions which are not. The reality based can be communicated and agreed on by others.