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To: proud patriot
We can't relate to non-Christians because we can't understand why a person would want to spend eternity in hell.

So a person becomes a Christian, only to escape an eternity in Hell?

That is the most shallow reason for coming to Christ, if you'll permit my saying so. We don't come to Christ because we want to escape torment. We come to Christ because we want Him, for His sake. Anything else is selfishness on our part.

34 posted on 01/03/2002 12:00:21 PM PST by Darth Sidious
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To: Darth Sidious
That is the most shallow reason for coming to Christ, if you'll permit my saying so.

Well, then Jesus was a pretty shallow teacher since He is the one that preached the most about Hell. He thought the torment of Hell was so bad that He took on flesh and tasted death for us so that we would be able to escape the pain of Hell.

Unless people come to know that they are sinners and just how dire the consequence of their sin is, they have no reason to turn to Jesus as their Saviour.

-ksen

61 posted on 01/03/2002 12:30:57 PM PST by ksen
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To: Darth Sidious
We come to Christ because we want Him, for His sake. Anything else is selfishness on our part.

It doesn't matter why we come, only that we come. Once we see Him for who He is the reasons become unimportant. One woman came to Him to be healed of a bleeding disorder. Another came to better understand G-d. One wanted to be healed of blindness. One wanted his daughter healed. One wanted his servant healed. One simply wanted to be more than a fisherman. We all come to Him for our own reasons.

Come to Him for whatever reason you wish.

Just come!

Though the curse has long been broken Adam's sons are still the prisoners of their fears.
Running helter-skelter to distruction with their fingers in their ears.
And the Master's voice is calling with an urgency I've never heard before.
Won't you come in from the darkness, son, before it's time to finally close the door?
Adam, Adam, Where are you?
Adam, Adam, Where are you?
Adam, Adam, I love you!

-Don Francisco
Shalom.
65 posted on 01/03/2002 12:33:47 PM PST by ArGee
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To: Darth Sidious
We come to Christ because we want Him, for His sake. Anything else is selfishness on our part.

I disagree, we come to Christ because God draws us to him. Christ himself declares this. There is nothing in the soul of depraved man that desires God. It is the work of the Holy Spirit in our hearts that regenerates us, and brings about a desire for God, therefore since God puts the desire for himself in us (through the work of the Holy Spirit), then he alone can fulfil that desire. That is the essence of salvation, not that we desire him, but that he desires us. After all Christ came to redeem us, we did not petition God for a savior, because we were comfortable in our sin and knew no better. Left up to man there would be no salvation, because there would be no percieved need for any. The finished work of Christ in us is when we confess him as our savior, but this only comes after our hearts are made ready for him by the Holy Spirit.

490 posted on 01/04/2002 6:50:28 AM PST by P8riot
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