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To: JayGalt
Those putative siblings had a chance at life that they never would have had.

Not really. They were artificially and specifically brought into existence in a laboratory with the clear understanding that the overwhelming odds were in favor of them being destroyed. What a horrifying thing, the stuff of Frankenstein movies.

Also in many cases only one embryo is implanted at a time.

One is implanted, but the others are killed. If you mean that only one is fertilized at a time, that is, in fact, extremely rare because of the uncertainty of just one being successfully fertilized, and the expense involved in attempting multiple fertilizations until one "takes."

That is a parental decision.

Parents have no more right to kill an unborn child than they do a born child. You can put your 1 year old and in a closet and pump it full of bullets of lethal gas from the outside, but just because you can't see it happening doesn't make it any less murder.

60 posted on 08/08/2024 6:16:21 PM PDT by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domini! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia!)
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To: fidelis

So for an ectopic pregnancy the mother must always carry to term and have no choice but to die painfully as her child also dies from and unviable pregancy?

Yes a rare event but happens, but as you said, it is clear the pregnancy must go on and both just endure a painful death.

To take this a bit further, let the trapped man burn to death slowly instead of ending his life mercifully and I guess Samson was wrong committing suicide to kill the Philistines, though oddly God gave him the strength to commit suicide. I wish my life was so easily morally Black and White as some here have it.


64 posted on 08/08/2024 6:26:09 PM PDT by Skwor
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To: fidelis

Your passion blinds you. No embryo is killed unless the parents decide on selective termination. The embryos are implanted one at a time for siblings. If embryo are not used they are usually donated for other couples. At the stage they are implanted they are 16 cells.


69 posted on 08/08/2024 7:09:23 PM PDT by JayGalt (Fight! Fight! Fight!)
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To: fidelis

You are confused. Eggs are harvested. They are not embryos. They have no potential to become embryos unless they are fertilized. The retrieved eggs, a much smaller number than being touted on this thread, often only 6-8 are mixed with the father’s sperm and kept warm for a few days.
The eggs that are fertilized become embryos, usually a smaller number. The embryos are examined genetically. Those that are incompatible with life are discarded just as Mother Nature prunes embryos with abnormal chromosomal complements (3 sets rather than two sets etc). The rest are frozen.
The healthiest is implanted on the first attempt with others being implanted on subsequent attempts or donated to other couples.
Nothing evil. No Frankenstein maneuvers. In nature every sperm doesn’t find an egg nor every egg a sperm. Every embryo does not develop into a fetus. Early miscarriages in the range of 20%, many before the woman even knows she is pregnant.


71 posted on 08/08/2024 7:23:51 PM PDT by JayGalt (Fight! Fight! Fight!)
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