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Debunking Popular Lies About Premillennialism
Harbingers Daily ^ | 5/17/24 | Jonathan Brentner

Posted on 05/19/2024 2:20:33 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal

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To: BereanBrain
I don’t ascribe to any “systematic” theology theories, but just because lots of people before or after a certain time believed something should be taken as warning sign to not base one’s beliefs on those of others, rather let the scripture and the Holy Spirit be your guide.

I happen to agree with you, but it does weigh in as a factor, especially if one does not ascribe to Sola Scriptura, which itself is not attested to in Scripture. If one comes up with a novel doctrine that has never been embraced for the first 1600 years of Christianity, one must read extremely lightly and be sure that one is not following a different spirit than the one that has led all other Christians up to that time.

2 Corinthians 11:3-5

21 posted on 05/19/2024 3:53:39 PM PDT by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domini! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia!)
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To: Flaming Conservative
Anyone can have their opinions, but this dispensationalism is backed up by Scripture. Open your Bible and study it for yourself.

Actually I have for the last 45 years or so, otherwise I would not presume to speak on it. All I'm saying is it presumptuous to condemn others who do not accept your interpretation of Scripture. Is that so hard to accept?

Just because Catholicism and its offshoots don’t believe it, doesn’t make it false.

I never said it did, only that in my opinion the biblical and historical positions weigh against it.

22 posted on 05/19/2024 4:02:03 PM PDT by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domini! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia!)
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To: fidelis

All of what people call “dispensationalism” is in the Bible.

Period.

Darby is not necessary to this view.

I have read the Bible cover to cover several times and a plain sense reading of Scripture, while paying attention to literary genre, yields the basic futurist premillennialist view.


23 posted on 05/19/2024 4:07:55 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fidelis

All the right pieces are on the chess board.

The only thing we don’t when are the smaller details of the chess match, but the chess pieces are there, the board is the right size and shape.


24 posted on 05/19/2024 4:09:54 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: metmom
You give yourself too much credit for being able to control others.

From my experience here and other places, that is usually the response that's given. Some of the responses on his thread prove my point.

And what's a *Rapturist*? I tried googling the term up and it doesn't appear to exist outside of your fabrication of it.

You should refine your research skills. Here's just one:

rapturist - Wiktionary (definition 1)

25 posted on 05/19/2024 4:10:39 PM PDT by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domini! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia!)
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To: fishtank

“The Chessboard “ analogy-—
Very Interesting.
That’s what it is!
Thanks.


26 posted on 05/19/2024 4:29:53 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (ALL Things Will be Revealed !)
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To: fidelis
I happen to agree with you, but it does weigh in as a factor, especially if one does not ascribe to Sola Scriptura, which itself is not attested to in Scripture. If one comes up with a novel doctrine that has never been embraced for the first 1600 years of Christianity,

Wrong.

Jesus appealed only to Scripture in His dealings with the Pharisees, during His temptation in the wilderness, and on the Road to Emmaus when He expounded about Himself to the disciples.

Acts 17:11Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.

People were commended by God for using Scripture to verify Paul's message.

There is no other source of Truth but God's word. Everything needs to be measured against that to verify.

27 posted on 05/19/2024 4:30:48 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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To: fidelis

Oh wow. The shortest Wikipedia topic I have ever seen.

Did you just put that up?


28 posted on 05/19/2024 4:32:36 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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To: metmom

Another poster put up maybe twenty verses
Containing ‘It Is Written...’
Even I was shocked !
Jesus in his “Lazarus and the Rich man’ said ; “If they don’t believe Moses and the Prophets they won’t believe a man Risen from the Dead”
Some folks are So beheld by TRADITION
They will argue against the TRUTH.


29 posted on 05/19/2024 5:28:58 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (ALL Things Will be Revealed !)
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To: Big Red Badger

Excellent verse about Lazarus and the rich man.

Good point.

Yeah, why go with man’s additions to Scripture when we have the God breathed, Holy Spirit inspired Truth, stated in the Word of God itself?

And that’s not enough?????

Funny, I find Scripture to contain more than enough for a lifetime of study and application.


30 posted on 05/19/2024 5:39:40 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
Premillennialism is a message of profound significance for believers today and one that pastors must proclaim. I say this because this message: Glorifies the Lord as a promise-keeper to both Israel and to us as New Testament saints. Reassures believers of their hope in these perilous times. Provides a much-needed counter to the anti-Semitic mindset of our day.

I wonder what the premillennial-denialists think about all the words of the prophets and Jesus concerning it? Did they just say it all in jest? Are they all just allegorical? If allegory, then where do you ever draw the line between what is true prophecy and allegory? How can anyone know what is to come or be able to "watch and pray"? How can the promises of Almighty God be trusted if no one knows what His promises really are?

I will trust in what God has said and rest in His precious promises because He has told us things before they happen so that when they DO happen, we will know He is the TRUE God. He doesn't play games!

31 posted on 05/19/2024 5:51:22 PM PDT by boatbums (When you dwell in the shelter of the Most High, you will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. )
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To: metmom

Exactly 💯
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I see The New Jerusalem descending from the clouds with the Throne of King David and the Lamb of GOD who was Slain and Arose again for the Sins of the World an He stood as King of the Universe with Pierced Hands outstretched saying
‘Welcome Friend!’.


32 posted on 05/19/2024 5:55:37 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (ALL Things Will be Revealed !)
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To: boatbums

The simple answer is that they don’t believe their Bibles, or Jesus’s Words, or the Words of the Prophets.

Jesus berated the Pharisees for holding onto their traditions more than Scripture and Prophecy. Mark 7:1-13 is a perfect example of this.

Cults, Catholics, and other strange pseudo-Christians believe all sorts of bizarre and superstitious things.

They add to God’s Word - they even admit that they do and they will pummel you heavily if you try to steer them back to Scripture.

I imagine all of them are in for a good horse-whipping from The Lord on Judgement Day. How many vulnerable, lazy, cowardly, and weak people did they help drag to hell because they couldn’t find the courage to read the entire Council of God?


33 posted on 05/19/2024 5:59:14 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: gitmo

👍


34 posted on 05/19/2024 6:00:45 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: Flaming Conservative

Amen!

God Bless!


35 posted on 05/19/2024 6:01:11 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: metmom

“There is no other source of Truth but God’s word. Everything needs to be measured against that to verify.”

Unless your prone to quote Augustine, Pius IX, or Joan of Arc and consider that “Holy Spirit inspired”?


36 posted on 05/19/2024 6:05:55 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: boatbums

God made several covenants;
Adam and Eve
Noah
Abraham
Moses
King David’s Throne,my Favorite.
Jesus ‘I will Never leave nor Forsake you’ ‘
Your right- Let God Be God !


37 posted on 05/19/2024 6:42:56 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (ALL Things Will be Revealed !)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal; boatbums; metmom; ShadowAce
The simple answer is that they don’t believe their Bibles, or Jesus’s Words, or the Words of the Prophets.

Look who's talking:

 22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost.  23 Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.

38 posted on 05/19/2024 6:45:15 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Preach It!
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Do what we can and hope the Holy Spirit
Brings them to the TRUTH.
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IT’S There in Black and White.


39 posted on 05/19/2024 6:46:53 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (ALL Things Will be Revealed !)
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To: ebb tide

Look who’s talking


40 posted on 05/19/2024 6:49:15 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (ALL Things Will be Revealed !)
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