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To: Cronos

Yeah, antichrist is a secular power. That would fool a lot of people wouldn’t it? Nothing you wrote makes any sense. And Michael means one who is like God and ONLY Jesus is like God because he is God. I’m sorry you haven’t a deeper study on who Michael was.(Jesus incarnate in the OT). He was not created..he is the eternal son of God who sometimes appeared incarnate in the OT.

Your theology is so superficial........you don’t even know a day IN PROPHECY is a year....time, times, and half a time is 3.5 years and that’s 1260 days or 1260 years and the Papacy, the little horn ruled for? ........1260.....538 (pagan Rome becomes Papal Rome) to 1798 when the Pope was finally taken captive.

Even Protestants knew who the great apostate is. Keep looking at Israel though. Maybe someday you’ll read where Jesus said the kingdom is taken from them and given to a new nation.

In the meantime, Rome’s wound has healed and she’s got world power and influence again and you will come crying back to her too....and her day of the Sun.......fool.


73 posted on 04/23/2024 8:13:36 AM PDT by vespa300
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To: vespa300; Cronos

I’ve shown Cronos the SDA position on Michael at least 50 times over the years (probably more). He still says SDA’s believe Christ is a created being.

I gave him multiple SDA sources, including this link https://www.biblelightinfo.com/michael.htm

I gave him the article summary: As this study shows, according to scriptures, Jesus is the angel of the LORD, the angel of God, the angel of the covenant, the Archangel Michael, who appeared time and again in the Old Testament to speak directly to His people. Michael is just another title for the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who is God in the flesh, the principle messenger of the gospel (archangel) to humanity, but He is not a created being.

I then showed him what church fathers and Catholic sources have said (2nd half of the linked article). Even his own Saint Melito (formerly Bishop Melito of Sardis) agrees with the SDA position:

Bishop Melito of Sardis:
The Lord Jesus Christ is acknowledged as the perfect Reason, the Word of God; who was begotten before the light; who was Creator with the Father; who was the Fashioner of man; who was all things in all; Patriarch among the patriarchs, Law in the law, Chief Priest among the priests, King among the kings, Prophet among the prophets, Archangel among the angels;

The SDA position on Michael the Archangel is very clear. Some continue to falsely claim that the SDA position is the exact opposite. Is it even possible that a person could, by mistake, misinterpret the SDA position? Nope, no mistake.

Can the statement “BUT HE (Christ) IS NOT A CREATED BEING” mean anything other than that Christ is not a created being? Nope.

Revelation 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death

This is what I think as to why some Catholics keep falsely misstating the SDA position on Michael: The bible CLEARLY identifies their church, the Papacy, as the Antichrist power. The Reformers and SDA’s have pounded that in for years. Catholics will say anything to distance themselves from that fact, and will attack anyone who claims it, such as EGW, SDA’s, all Reformers, etc... They do it all the time. Unfortunately for them, they can’t get away from the fact that the Papacy is the Antichrist power, Little Horn, Man of sin, and Son of Perdition. Same for Evangelicals, they being the Harlot daughters that they are.


76 posted on 04/23/2024 1:04:27 PM PDT by Philsworld (It's all short quips and funny memes, until you find that you've come up short in the judgment. )
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To: vespa300

a day IN PROPHECY is a year....time, times, and half a time is 3.5 years and that’s 1260 days or 1260 years and the Papacy, the little horn ruled for? ........1260.....538 (pagan Rome becomes Papal Rome) to 1798 when the Pope was finally taken captive.


They will never admit that. (Neither will Evangelicals) The day/year principle was specifically denied by Jesuits Francisco Ribera and Cardinal Robert Bellarmine. They were part of the Counter Reformation doctrine of Futurism, which all followers of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture believe in. The HISTORICIST model shows the Papacy ruling exactly 1260 years, down to the month. Protestant Reformers all believed in the day/year principle of Prophecy. They also all believed that the Papacy was the Antichrist power.

The 1260 years of Papal Supremacy
https://www.biblelightinfo.com/1260years.htm


77 posted on 04/23/2024 1:34:31 PM PDT by Philsworld (It's all short quips and funny memes, until you find that you've come up short in the judgment. )
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To: vespa300

——>Even Protestants knew who the great apostate is. Keep looking at Israel though. Maybe someday you’ll read where Jesus said the kingdom is taken from them and given to a new nation.

They look at Israel because Satan has blinded them to the truth. They have been deceived.


78 posted on 04/23/2024 1:46:44 PM PDT by Philsworld (It's all short quips and funny memes, until you find that you've come up short in the judgment. )
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