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To: wita
I answered four questions in #29 and no response other than to repeat part of your original in #25. That is an indicator to me that conversation is not the intent, but a blizzard of questions to attempt to prove the narrative.

You gave four evasive answers which really didn't address my points.

As an example:

>>“Mormons don’t believe Jesus is eternal.”<<

I would call that statement false, and you provided a source.

The Eternal God is not called by that name in error. If He is eternal and we are his children, what can be then said of us, much less his only begotten Son in the flesh? We are as eternal as The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. I don’t think getting all wrapped up in the word created will lead to clear thinking because what we know about creation in the eternal sense is really nothing.

Nice evasive answer by not answering the question.

Is Jesus eternal or not? John 1:1 is your answer

>>“They also adhere to books other than the Bible.”<<

Not so sure adhere is appropriate, but we are attentive to every word that comes from the mouth of God the Father and his son Jesus Christ. He has never proclaimed his sudden inability to speak for himself ever and since he is the same yesterday today and always we take him at his word.

Well, here is the position of the LDS.

In addition to the Old and New Testaments of the Bible, the Book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ. It contains the writings of ancient prophets, giving an account of God’s dealings with the peoples on the American continent. For Latter-day Saints it stands alongside the Old and New Testaments of the Bible as holy scripture.

https://news-gu.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/mormonism-101#C8

Actually, digging a little deeper we find this about the Book of Mormon.

It has been described as the “keystone” of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. From the beginning, Church members have accepted it as scripture.

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/book-of-mormon

The definition of keystone is understood to mean the central principle or part of a policy, system,etc, on which all else depends.

In other words, Mormons have elevated the Book of Mormon above the Bible.....another clear sign of a cult and false teaching.

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Which stands in contradiction of Jude 3: Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints.

>>“Mormons believe that there are in fact four sources of divinely inspired words, not just one.”<<

Also a false statement. Members of the Church of Jesus Christ believe there is but one source for divinely inspired words just like the rest of the Christian world. That source is God the Father. One notable difference might be the mistaken belief that God’s lips are sealed and the Bible must remain as the only source for his words, which would be inconsistant with God’s relationship with man from the beginning.

Jude applies to this issue as well.

There is no on=going revelation.

While we're at it...here's another issue where Mormonism is against the Bible.

Do Mormon women lead in the Church?

While worthy men hold the priesthood, worthy women serve as leaders, counselors, missionaries, teachers, and in many other responsibilities—they routinely preach from the pulpit and lead congregational prayers in worship services.

https://news-gu.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/mormonism-101#C8

The New Testament is clear women are not to be pastors.

But let's keep exploring the issues of this cult called Mormonism.

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Some additional beliefs of Mormons.

Do Mormons believe that the Garden of Eden is in Missouri? We do not know exactly where the original site of the Garden of Eden is. While not an important or foundational doctrine, Joseph Smith established a settlement in Daviess County, Missouri, and taught that the Garden of Eden was somewhere in that area. Like knowing the precise number of animals on Noah’s ark, knowing the precise location of the Garden of Eden is far less important to one’s salvation than believing in the Atonement of Jesus Christ.

Really not even worth replying to. It only illustrates that Smith was the leader of a cult. A hallmark of a cult leader is that only he/she has special knowledge no one else has. He exhibited that.

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Continuing....

Are Mormons Christian?

Yes. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a Christian church but is neither Catholic nor Protestant. Rather, it is a restoration of the Church of Jesus Christ as originally established by the Savior in the New Testament of the Bible.

https://news-gu.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/mormonism-101#C1

Yet, Mormonism is founded on false principles that contradict the Bible.

Some examples:

Mormons also believe that Jesus was a god, but not God Himself (Mormon Doctrine, p. 547; Articles of Faith, p. 35; Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 372). It is essential to Christian faith that Jesus is one with God and that He is God’s only begotten Son who became flesh (John 1:1, 14; John 3:16). Only Jesus’ oneness with God would have allowed Him to live a sinless, blameless life (Hebrews 7:26). And only Jesus Christ was able to pay the price for our sins by His death on the cross (Romans 4:25; Acts 4:12).https://www.gotquestions.org/Mormons-Christians.html

One of the many areas in which Mormons fall short of saving faith is their belief that God is merely an exalted man who earned his position by good works (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321; Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345). This directly contradicts the Bible, which states that God has existed in His position as God of the universe from eternity past (Revelation 1:8; 1 Timothy 1:17; 6:15–16; Psalm 102:24–27). God was never a man (Numbers 23:19; 1 Samuel 15:29; Hosea 11:9) and is the holy and powerful Creator of all things (Genesis 1; Psalm 24:1; Isaiah 37:16). Mormons also believe that they themselves can attain the status of gods in the afterlife through their works here on earth (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345–354). However, no man can ever become like God (1 Samuel 2:2; Isaiah 43:10–11; 44:6; 45:21–22), despite what the serpent told Eve in the garden (Genesis 3:5).

https://www.gotquestions.org/Mormons-Christians.html

In other words....it's a cult.

39 posted on 04/21/2024 10:22:41 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

The Eternal God is not called by that name in error. If He is eternal and we are his children, what can be then said of us, much less his only begotten Son in the flesh? We are as eternal as The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. I don’t think getting all wrapped up in the word created will lead to clear thinking because what we know about creation in the eternal sense is really nothing.

Nice evasive answer by not answering the question.

You appear to be awfully closed minded if you consider what I wrote to be evasive. What do you want, a yes or no answer? No, what you want is the answer you already have in your mind, and though unrelated to truth your mind is made up, and it shows.

It is apparent that no matter what my answer it wouldn’t measure up to your preconceived notions. I’m going with my initial assessment of your comments based on your most recent blizzard of comment, questions and apparent inability to answer my question to you.

If you were able to address just one question, conversation might be a possibility. For example you put words in my mouth by declaring I was quoting John 1:1. If we were conversing I’d want an explanation why you think I’m quoting from John and why that is important. Unless you tell me I have no clue, and if the word evasive enters the picture because you choose not to believe what I write that too requires explanation by you.

Looks like it’s up to you. Either answer why you accuse me of being evasive when I declare I have written an answer from my personal knowledge which requires more from you to discern where I’m coming from if all you can think of is evasive. The last thing on the mind of any member of the Church of Jesus Christ is being evasive. That’s in your mind not mine.


50 posted on 04/22/2024 10:39:59 PM PDT by wita (Under oath since 1966 in defense of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness)
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