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Posted on 03/24/2024 5:42:22 AM PDT by cuz1961
Sure bro. You’ve turned a false doctrine into an essential truth. You need to rethink your faith.
No, it is not. “Replace” and “fulfillment” are obviously completely different things.
I am not a biblical scholar. I don’t see in the sciptures where believers will be spared tribulations or the Tribulations. I guess it’s how you read and interpret the word/way. Do not be discouraged if the rapture from the tribulations does not occur in you human/fallible way. Be prepared to go through the hardest testing ever. Just my opinion.
If that makes you feel better, no worries.
But “the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable.”
Including the unconditional Abrahamic Covenant and land promises.
Anything else is simply theft from Israel.
It’s a fact, not feelings. Feelings have nothing to do with it. It’s all about the truth, and the Truth will set you free.
Try the facts of Romans 11
And the unconditional Abrahamic Covenant.
You can hate on the pre-mid-post tribulation rapture all you want, but it doesn’t shake my faith in Christ. My faith is not based on the rapture. If it were to be undeniably proven false right now, I would still have the same faith I have now.
I could argue that by you refusing to believe in it (even by showing you all the verses-which I know you will confuse with the second coming), that you deny Christ’s very own words and therefore have no faith in him. There’s no point in arguing it. But the least you can do is use scripture instead of the already proven wrong, Darby theory.
This “fight” about the rapture has been getting more intense recently, which one has to question, why?
I’m not sure who’s fighting about it. Most Christians through church history have placed their hope in the physical return of Christ (essential doctrine)not some made up comic version.
It seems to me that, in dispensationalism, “The Rapture” takes the place in their theology that the resurrection should.
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ok.
i am done pulling punches.
you know damn well it was ILLEGAL TO OWN copies of the Scriptures... .. for most of the 1600 years under Catholicism ..........people dont believe what they dont know cuz they weren't allowed to read it....... ... If , 'father' never read those to the congregation then that explains the preterists favorite refrain of " most Christians throughout history.." the catholic had folk burned at the stake for having a bible of their own. .... ..https://digitalcommons.cedarville.edu/persecution_persecution/#:~:text=There%20was%20a%20time%20in,were%20martyred%20for%20doing%20both.... .. There was a time when there was no printed Bible in English. There was a time in England when under the Roman Catholic Church, it was illegal to translate the Scriptures into the common language from Latin. There was a time when it was illegal to read those illegal translations in public–or to own one..... ... .. There were times when people were martyred for doing both........ ... .. ... In England, William Tyndale, who became known as the Father of the English printed Bible, was forced to leave England in 1525 because of the wide-spread rumors about his project to prepare an English New Testament. He ended up in Germany near Martin Luther and in 1525, the first English Language New Testament was printed and copies smuggled back into England. ........ ......... ...Tyndale was finally captured in Belgium and his last words before ..... he was burned at the stake in 1536 .... ... ...for printing common language Bibles were: “Oh Lord, open the King of England's eyes.” This prayer would be answered just three years later when King Henry VIII finally allowed, and even funded, the printing of an English Bible. But before that, Myles Coverdale and John Rogers (who used the name Thomas Matthew) continued the work of Tyndale and moved the English Bible project forward. Coverdale finished the translation of the Old Testament and in 1535 he printed the first complete English language Bible. John Rogers went on to print the second complete English Bible in 1537. What is unique about the work of Rogers is that this is the first Bible completely translated from the original Greek and Hebrew sources. Since it was printed using the alias name Thomas Matthew, it is commonly called the Matthew's Bible. The significance of this Bible is that it set up the basic content, sources, and format of our present English Bible. Rogers was eventually burned at the stake for his translation work . /
they burned folk at the stake for having their own Bible
or one written un their language.
so take your
” most for most history didnt believe in “ crap
they didnt know cuz they weren't taught and couldn't find out for themselves by reading the bible .
so your #1 argument is a foul misdirection at best, and the most damning proof about the total dishonesty and bait and switch of preterism.
You lost me there. It was only illegal to use copies of heretical and poorly translated versions of the Scriptures, especially ones with erroneous and propagandized footnotes. People that could read could and did possess their own personal copies of the Scriptures both in Latin and the vernacular. Examples of many of them on on display in museums across Europe and the great spiritual writers of those times (both lay and religious) make reference to having them in their spiritual writings and quote Scripture directly from them. The rest of your post is equally misinformed.
AGAIN
here you are,,
” The Basher of the Accused” (tm)
bashing AGAIN
like a fanatic pagan
and lets face it
the pagans couldnt defeat the church so they joined it with their misuse of......
... Jesus’ pun .. ...... ...( petra/boulder/confession of faith /// pertros/pebble / peter ).....
....
..of Christ that they invented the papacy with.
catholism is paganism that disguised their idol worship in christian names and costumes.
and took the scriptures away from the brethren so no one could figure that out. i think there have been millions of past and present true Christians attending catholic churches in spite of its deception . ... so bash away, AGAIN ,,its what you do. even your threads that promote anything are just bash threads in drag. .
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. you LIE
your a liar
and your father is the father of lies.
you rape the texts, the scriptures and truth.
its
what
you
do
when you arent burning folk at the stake
like Tyndale.
...1635 spit.
you
are
disgusting.
When a personal resorts to unhinged personal attacks, they have lost the argument. Good day.
. People that could read could and did possess their own personal copies of the Scriptures both in Latin and the vernacular
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your lies are so easily disproven
then you just repeat your lie like ms13nbc
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. People that could read could and did possess their own personal copies of the Scriptures both in Latin and the vernacular
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like tyndale ?
Tyndale in 1635 tried..
and got burnt at the stake
theres direct proof of your lie.
your lie was exposed and resisted.
and you run away
just
like
satan
The rest of your post is equally misinformed.
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. where have iheard that lately..
..oh ya
democrats
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media
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unhinged
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. my facts HINGE on history.
deal with it or not.
just quit lying,. or can you ?
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