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To: unlearner

So you are saying that the Great Sign in the Heavens of Revelation 12:1-2 has not occurred, and that the Woman is not Israel, and Israel is not in travail?

When you see a red sky in the morning, you don’t take warning? Or can you see the signs of the weather, but not the signs of the time?

Jesus wept over Jerusalem because they should have been able to calculate the day of his coming, and recognize that Daniel’s 70th week had started. He was cut off in the middle of it. The five virgins who did not keep their lamps full and had let their oil vessels go dry, didn’t make it to the banquet when the Bridegroom came in the night.

Why would Jesus tell all these parables about paying attention to the signs of the times if it weren’t important?


63 posted on 03/09/2024 10:55:33 AM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: SubMareener

“Why would Jesus tell all these parables about paying attention to the signs of the times if it weren’t important?”

Jesus gave us 6 specific signs of His coming in the Olivet Discourse. These correspond to the first 6 seals of Revelation:

1. time of false peace and deception
2. war
3. famine
4. disease, natural disasters, and mass casualties
5. the Great Tribulation: time of trouble for the whole world and global persecution of the elect by the antichrist who is revealed at the abomination of desolation
6. signs in the heavens including a simultaneous solar/lunar eclipse

See Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, and Revelation 6.

Don’t just read the first 2 verses of Revelation 12, read the whole chapter (I don’t want to post the whole chapter here):

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2012&version=NKJV

The sign you mentioned is merely the visible alignment of the heavenly hosts, but where is the dragon?

In the Balfour Declaration land was designated for Jews to return to (1917), then later Israel became a nation again (1948), and Israel gained control of the Sinai Peninsula, the Golan Heights, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem (1967). These are all prophetically significant, but they don’t mean we should quit our jobs and camp out watching the night sky for Jesus. Neither should the sign of the woman, child, sun, moon, and stars cause us to panic, start setting dates, or quit our jobs.

Several things will take place in the middle of Daniel’s 70th week:

1. The two witnesses will be killed (and raised 3.5 days later).
2. Antichrist will set up his throne in the temple and proclaim himself “God” in the abomination of desolation.
3. The Great Tribulation will begin as the Antichrist forces the world to worship him and take his mark. He will persecute Christians and the remnant of Israel which will flee into the desert.
4. A war in Heaven will culminate in the eviction of Satan and his angels by Michael and his angels. Satan, the “Dragon,” is cast to the earth.

Without this 4th item, your sign of the woman with child is incomplete. But the visible manifestation of the Devil will be in the person of the man of sin, the Antichrist. This is why Paul focuses the attention of the Thessalonians on two things in relation to their persecution:

1. the apostasy
2. the abomination of desolation

These are the most definitive and visible evidences that the Great Tribulation has begun and Christ’s return is very close. More importantly, they MUST occur BEFORE the Day of the Lord/coming of Christ. See 2 Thessalonians 2.


66 posted on 03/09/2024 12:59:44 PM PST by unlearner (I, Robot: I think I finally understand why Dr. Lanning created me... ;-)
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To: SubMareener

The event of September 23, 2017 is too good a match to Rev. 12:1-2 not to take a second look. I don’t know what it means but I will speculate. What if it signifies that the events of chapter 12 have begun? Chapter 10:11 the angel said to John: thou must prophecy’s again. This is the second prophecy. Read the seventh trumpet again, it described the second coming of Christ. Also chapter 10:7 says that in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished.

It is hard to imagine the 42 months in chapter 13 happening after Christ takes the reins of power at the seventh trumpet.

The sun and moon and twelve stars send us to Joseph. Because of the prophetic character of history we can look at the details to see if they fit. The famine could be from Amos 8:11. What is the significance of the seven years of plenty.?Notice God told Pharaoh but not Jacob. Are we in the time of plenty where everyone has a copy of the Bible on their phone? The timeline may need some adjustment, but note the rapture may not happen until Rev 14:16 in the second prophecy.


72 posted on 03/10/2024 8:17:10 AM PDT by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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