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Go you one better: ARE PASTORS BIBLICAL?

Word is not found in Greek. KJV had it mistranslated from “poimen” which is shepherd.

Who is your favorite pastor in the NT?

No - you cannot find one. Strange, no? Why are none of Paul’s letters not addressed to a pastor? No, Timothy was not a pastor. He was an apostle with an apostles responsibilities noted in Paul’s letters to him that were beyond one locality. He mentored under Paul, was discipled under him as the other apostles were under our Lord Jesus.

In NT word is only found once in the English NT, a mistranslation in Eph. 4:11. The word is “shepherd teachers” as the two are linked in Greek. It is one gift & function - not a title or position. It is what elders are called to do.

The singular word “poimen” in the NT ALWAYS AND ONLY refers to our Lord Jesus. “The LORD IS MY SHEPHERD”.

The verb form of poimen is, in the NT, what the elders are charged to do. Read Peter.

Today “Pastor” is an exalted title and position that men (& women) covet - strongly forbidden by our Lord in Matt. 23:6ff. Interesting how we apply & practice what is not in the Bible and reject/ignore what is there - in our “Bible” churches.

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Go you one better: ARE PASTORS BIBLICAL? Word is not found in Greek. KJV had it mistranslated from “poimen” which is shepherd....In NT word is only found once in the English NT, a mistranslation in Eph. 4:11. The word is “shepherd teachers” as the two are linked in Greek. It is one gift & function - not a title or position. It is what elders are called to do.

A distinction without a difference. To be a pastor is to be be a shepherd. The English word comes from

Old French pastor, pastur "herdsman, shepherd" (12c.) and directly from Latin pastor "shepherd," from pastus, past participle of pascere "to lead to pasture, set to grazing, cause to eat," from PIE root *pa- "to feed; tend, guard, protect." Compare pasture. - https://www.etymonline.com/word/pastor

Why are none of Paul’s letters not addressed to a pastor? No, Timothy was not a pastor. He was an apostle with an apostles responsibilities noted in Paul’s letters to him that were beyond one locality.

So you at least admit that apostles has authority, which in principle mean that leadership is Scriptural that shep-herds that have authority, if not as popes or other cult leaders but as street-level leaders among brethren as servants of the Lord esteemed for their labor.

The verb form of poimen is, in the NT, what the elders are charged to do. Read Peter.

Indeed, so what is the reason for your making a big issue out of using a name which denotes shepherding?

So this is it, that because some persons lust for power while others are motivated for love of the sheep then the idea of esteem of leadership and just authority (which I saw none of by you) must be ignored, as if shepherding was contrary to both?

Paul said "Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ" (1 Corinthians 11:1) and "Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward. Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses. Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear. "(1 Timothy 5:17-20)

And to trust/obey [peithō cf. Rom. 2:8, Gal. 3:1, Gal. 5:7, Jam. 3:3] those accounted/esteemed as leaders [cf. Luke 22:26; Mat. 2:6, Act.7:10] and yield [hypeikō] yourselves: "for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account." (Hebrews 13:17)

God hates a false balance, and authority is required of shepherding, in the fear of God, as those who will judged as being more accountable, and which Paul examples, and while the character of the overseers has declined, so has that of the flock. And thus more discipline is needed. Imagine if Paul came back today.

Interesting how we apply & practice what is not in the Bible and reject/ignore what is there - in our “Bible” churches.